Interview with Maggi Moss

[Rokeby Forever]

Lake's okay.... though he struggles in NY moreso then at other tracks.He needs to upgrade his stock if he's going to take it to the next level. The Dutrow boys have worked to upgrade their stables whereas their Father ran an SL type operation throughout his career. Nothing wrong with that but the notoriety is at the highest level of racing not in the cheap claiming ranks.

Yep...notoriety never hurt - or starting out in a barn that already had notoriety.

Dick Dutrow was a tremendous trainer. The knock throughout his career in Maryland was that he couldn't get a horse to stretch out, but when he moved his barn to NY, he could stretch them out with anybody. The job he did with King's Swan alone should have put him in the HOF.

[bdw0617]

you can't just tell lake "hey, get better horses" unless he's doing it with his own money.. it's up to his clients.

[Foggytrip]

Lake is a butcher, his horses routinely breakdown at Penn, and Delaware.

Lake cant win in NY because they have a detention barn

Comparing Lake to Pletcher is like comparing ice cream to shit

As Horsenuts said, ask some of Pletchers peers what they they think of him. Not only will you get a glowing review, youll get a very honest answer of why hes so good.

[MidwestTrainer]

WC runs horses below where they can win at. he takes it to the extreme big time.

Your not lying.

[Rokeby Forever]

Lake is a butcher, his horses routinely breakdown at Penn, and Delaware.

Comparing Lake to Pletcher is like comparing ice cream to shit

Pletcher doesn't break anything down? At least Lake's horses start out on the verge of it. Did Oonagh MacCool, Fleet Indian, etc, etc...

The ice cream to shit thing...when Pletcher can claim a Shake You Down, let me know, OK?

Oh, "Mr Organization" missed his Sunday work with The Green Monkey today. Did he forget to take him out of his stall? Or is it that Pletcher simply can't work with a horse that has problems?

[Foggytrip]

Every trainer who runs numbers is bound to have a few breakdown. Lake breaks down a lot more horses than Pletcher, granted he doesnt have the quality animal Pletcher has. I think youve said yourself when Lake goes into New York hes basically useless, amazing what a detention barn can do. I think Lake does a good job managing his horses, and I think he treats his help extremely well, I also think he wins a lot of races for his owners. Im not saying Scott Lake is a bad trainer, he certainly wins a lot of races.

Todd didnt buy the Green Donkey, he just trains him. I think if the horse wins a race its a miracle

Yes I think Todd could have claimed Shake you Down and done great with him. I also think he would have had enough class to retire him as opposed to running him into the ground for 16k at Charlestown.

[ageecee]

But Pletcher doesnt claim horses. I dont even remember him claiming anything? Has he?

if your asking if Pletched claimed SYD would he have gotten the same results as Lake? i would say without hesitating YES he would.

[Rokeby Forever]

Based on what? Has Lawyer Ron improved at all under Pletcher? I have to think that in the Lake barn, Lawyer Ron would be Grade 1 this year. After all, Lake took a claimer and made a Grade 1 winner out of him.

[Foggytrip]

Hes improved Greatly for Todd, when he wins the BC mile Im sure it will highlight his year.

[Rokeby Forever]

He ran so well in the BC Classic for Pletcher, right?

He couldn't even win a weak Met mile. The two horses that beat him aren't even milers.

[Foggytrip]

Physically the horse looks so much better and travles so much better its amazing

I think the best of him is yet to come Rock, we shall see. I dont think he will get beat going a mile at Monmouth this fall

[Rokeby Forever]

How badly was he traveling when he won all those Derby prep stakes for Bob Holthus - who developed him from being a $50,000 claimer?

He won't hit the board in the BC Mile - he was lucky to hold on for 3rd in the Met Mile. But I hope in the future that he travels better than Cotton Blossom and Indian Vale traveled at Delaware this weekend.

[Foggytrip]

Hes just a more comfortable horse now, whether its growing into his body, or not running off 2 miles every morning, you can be the judge.


Sunriver went pretty good today though, eh?

[Foggytrip]

For the record, Unbrilded Belle is also trained by Pletcher, she won by 8

She was also a 4000.00 sale purchase at one point in time. I think thats pretty much getting the most out of your horse, the purse was 1million dollars

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 7USA11.pdf


http://www.drf.com/drfDownloadPastPerfo ... 15&RACE=11

On the second link note trainer change and purchase price

[Rokeby Forever]

Team Valor paid just a bit more than $4,000 for her after she had raced.

So, let me understand your logic - we forget that Indian Vale and Cotton Blossom were terrible because Unbridled Belle did well. Hmmm.....survival of the fittest?