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Thoughts on the Arc

Postby Barbaro06 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:04 am

Boy was that a letdown for me today with the Arc. I was expecting a horse race from the three top contenders. I sure hope Shirocco is OK--he absolutely did not fire at all during the race. I think Deep Impact did well, but I think the layoff took something out of him. He also was closer to the pace than usual and I think it threw him for a loop. Don't know what happened to Hurricane Run; I think he got stuck on the rail and just did not fire. Pride was flying at the end, but she ran out of ground to get to Rail Link. Any thoughts on how this all will play out come Breeder's Cup Day?

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Postby Bedouwia » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:58 pm

My first thought is how nice it was to turn off all the predictable Sunday morning news shows, and watch beautiful racing instead. What a venue, what a crowd, what a great day of racing. A satelite is a wonderful invention.

I am not sure that you give Rail Link enough credit. He ran a hell of a race against more experienced older horses. I have to admit that I was cheering for Pride at the end, and she was closing well. It looked like a race in which the pace may not have set up well for some of the closers, since it was a relatively small field for the Arc. Still, the winner got there first, fair and square. Congratulations to Juddmont.

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Postby xfactor fan » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:43 pm

Two questions about Deep Impact:

Did his tongue ever get put pack under the bit?

Did anyone see a sort of stumble about 200 M. out?

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Postby Barbaro06 » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:30 pm

Bedouwia...I would have to agree...beautiful racecourse and a nice change of pace (no pun intended) from the usual Sunday morning. I like watching races from overseas--it's neat to see other racing fans enjoying the sport.
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Postby parlo » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:23 pm

Just back from Longchamp. Started at 7 AM, reached the track at 11.30 AM after some 420 km drive by car, started return tour at 7.20 PM and reached home at 0.05 AM (Monday morning). Weather sunny at 21° C, some wind, but no rain, going good.

Looked like “everybody from Japan” took his Sunday walk to Longchamp racetrack – there were special betting facilities opened just for Japanese guests. At 12.00 AM the queues in front of these betting facilities were at least 100 m long and didn’t get shorter during the afternoon. In due course when odds were first seen on the screens Deep Impact was 11:10, Hurricane Run and Shirocco next with 120:10, others 300:10 and more … tremendous value for money against the favourite.

In the paddock before the race only eyes for these three horses: Deep Impact is not the monster freak as was announced, Hurricane Run and Shirocco perhaps even better looking.

In spite of the small field of just 8 runners a good pace from the beginning (2:31,70 min in the end). In the race of course “all German eyes” on Shirocco, who travelled well in second place throughout the race till entering the straight. Then – for a short moment – the expected fight: Shirocco takes the lead but Deep Impact can fight back – and then Shirocco is beaten within a few strides, looses place after place and even disturbs advancing stable-mate Hurricane Run on his way to the end of the field. But even so no finishing speed shown by Deep Impact. This is shown by Rail Link and Pride, coming from last place. So it is Rail Link (A. Fabre’s third horse in the race at 246:10) in front of Pride (almost same odds), Deep Impact (15:10) and Hurricane Run (50:10) at the winning post.

Shirocco (51:10) isn’t asked anymore by his rider and even loses seventh place – by this follows his earlier compatriots as a forgone hope with a typical “black” race of chancy German horses in that special race. There was no injury or accident to be seen in the horse – it just wasn’t his day, no excuses... all the others were better.

Anyway - as always a marvellous day of racing – too short a time and too many impressions for just a single afternoon. But one complaint: visitors from abroad were welcomed in their native languages by their French host, even in Spanish – in spite of there being any Spanish horse - but not the Germans. Little flags were on offer of any participating country – but not in black-red-gold … does this make any sense? When patriotism is asked in an international contest, you must offer fair chances to all participants. Unfortunately on this very day Shirocco didn’t give the appropriate answer on this insult.

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Postby siegy » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:37 pm

parlo wrote:Just back from Longchamp. Started at 7 AM, reached the track at 11.30 AM after some 420 km drive by car, started return tour at 7.20 PM and reached home at 0.05 AM (Monday morning). Weather sunny at 21° C, some wind, but no rain, going good.

Looked like “everybody from Japan” took his Sunday walk to Longchamp racetrack – there were special betting facilities opened just for Japanese guests. At 12.00 AM the queues in front of these betting facilities were at least 100 m long and didn’t get shorter during the afternoon. In due course when odds were first seen on the screens Deep Impact was 11:10, Hurricane Run and Shirocco next with 120:10, others 300:10 and more … tremendous value for money against the favourite.

In the paddock before the race only eyes for these three horses: Deep Impact is not the monster freak as was announced, Hurricane Run and Shirocco perhaps even better looking.

In spite of the small field of just 8 runners a good pace from the beginning (2:31,70 min in the end). In the race of course “all German eyes” on Shirocco, who travelled well in second place throughout the race till entering the straight. Then – for a short moment – the expected fight: Shirocco takes the lead but Deep Impact can fight back – and then Shirocco is beaten within a few strides, looses place after place and even disturbs advancing stable-mate Hurricane Run on his way to the end of the field. But even so no finishing speed shown by Deep Impact. This is shown by Rail Link and Pride, coming from last place. So it is Rail Link (A. Fabre’s third horse in the race at 246:10) in front of Pride (almost same odds), Deep Impact (15:10) and Hurricane Run (50:10) at the winning post.

Shirocco (51:10) isn’t asked anymore by his rider and even loses seventh place – by this follows his earlier compatriots as a forgone hope with a typical “black” race of chancy German horses in that special race. There was no injury or accident to be seen in the horse – it just wasn’t his day, no excuses... all the others were better.

Anyway - as always a marvellous day of racing – too short a time and too many impressions for just a single afternoon. But one complaint: visitors from abroad were welcomed in their native languages by their French host, even in Spanish – in spite of there being any Spanish horse - but not the Germans. Little flags were on offer of any participating country – but not in black-red-gold … does this make any sense? When patriotism is asked in an international contest, you must offer fair chances to all participants. Unfortunately on this very day Shirocco didn’t give the appropriate answer on this insult.

Hi Parlo,
Lucky for me, we could not bet,here, but we could asked Mr. Woody:
to prepare the main strip for Shorocco, could help as it did in the past.

Regard's Siegy, :idea:
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Postby parlo » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:24 am

@Siegy: Trainer Fabre had 3 horses in the race and won it with the outsider. He had no pacemaker in his stable he said, and that would worry him.

In August/September I thought, Getaway (owned by Shirocco' owner) would be an ideal pacemaker for Shirocco. But Getaway took his own share on Saturday in the Prix de Chaudenay (3.100 m), where he finished 3rd as a clear 14:10 favourite.

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Postby BenB » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:32 am

The big boys clear can,t manage it without a rabbit.
So there was no toplevel early speed, and at the end it was a 2 furlongs
sprint.

The ground was too fast for a couple of horses but that,s racing.
7 sec,s out of the record is saying fairly enough on this fast track.
Clear to me shirocco and hurricane run were in disadvantage, the japanese was cutting his own changes by making to much mileage

The three year old and the mare were the best in buisiness.
The three year old by (dansili) a miler, was favoured very much how the race unfolded.