Heidilady wrote:They have...it's just down the road-- the Cigar Mile.
That is over a MONTH away. Again, if this colt had the ability you seem to think he has, don't you think they would have tested him before now?
Heidilady wrote:2 G1s without making their two gems meet because one of them would have to lose and they'd only end up with 1 G1.
There are plenty of G1s Discreet Cat could have run in and not hooked up with Bernardini. Why didn't he run in the Haskell? Super Derby? King's Bishop?
You really aren't making any sense and now you're just digging your heels in. The more people point out what's suspect with this colt, the more you want to believe he's something special. You've this kneejerk reaction to anyone downplaying any horse. It's the same nonsense you were doing right after the Preakness and claiming that the 3yo CH. was more or less over because Barbaro was a can't lose.
Heidilady wrote:So Invasor's not real competition?
He wasn't in March when he had to travel halfway across the world to an environment he didn't seem to care for. He's a FOUR YEAR OLD NOW.
Heidilady wrote:Here's an article to read talking about who he faced and when.
Now you know better than to quote me rubbish like that. That was the biggest piece of fluff I've seen recently. That wasn't talking about who he's faced other than Invasor and a pair of weak allowance horses. You think what he faced in the Jerome is better than was Bernardini faced in the Preakness, Jim Dandy and Travers? You made it sound as if that article went into great detail about all the horses he's beat.
How many more times do I have to remind you that reporters are all the same... it does no good to 'talk real' about the horse because it doesn't create the necesary drama needed to draw readers.
Heidilady wrote:Sam wrote:Bernardini has run in 5 straight stakes -- three of them G1s -- and has won them all by daylight. While the field in the JCGC was anemic, that certainly was not the case in the Preakness, Travers and Jim Dandy.
Oh and Bernardini's last one was against what? Secretariat?
Please see bolded text where I specifically said the JCGC field was "anemic." Considering I was lambasting the race before it even went off because there was no competition, for you to act like I was playing it up as some great test is foolish.
Actually, let's be real here for a moment. Yes, I think the JCGC was anemic, but really that had more to do with it having just the four horses in it than anything else.
Dylan Thomas beat Ouija Board and Alexander Goldrun. Andromeda's Hero has chased the likes of Afleet Alex, Flower Alley and Invasor and run respectable races to all three. Wanderin' Boy had also chased Invasor to a respectable second in the Pimlico Special while beating West Virginia. ALL of those horses are proven graded performers. Yes, I thought they were aiming high in trying to take out Bernardini but if he hadn't been in the race, that would have been a very competitive field even with just those three (at least on paper -- DT proved otherwise by not taking to the track).
Again, other than Invasor, has ANYTHING come out of ANY of Discreet Cat's races and proved to be noteworthy?
Heidilady wrote:Discreet Cat's efforts began awhile back and since he's only got one more race than Bernardini
He has one LESS race than Bernardini. The level of competition Bernardini has faced -- save for the JCGC -- has been of much overall higher quality. In succession, Bernardini has thumped: Brother Derek, Sunriver, Bluegrass Cat and Dylan Thomas -- all of them highly regarded 3yos and proven G1 performers. Hell, even including the JCGC, the competion was at least graded proven, even if it was suspect.
Discreet Cat as beaten who, exactly? Invasor. Once, and for the same reason Bernardini beat Dylan Thomas -- he didn't take to the track/trip. Invasor is a remarkably different animal than he was back in March. I gaurantee you he doesn't do it again.
Heidilady wrote:And you're arguing that all those G1s, even with smaller fields, don't count as more seasoning than Discreet Cat?
Smaller fields? The only race Bernardini's been in that had less than 7 starters was the JCGC... which I've now stated a few times was a suspect race.
As for seasoning... there's competitive seasoning and there's racing seasoning. As far as number of races, neither colt has an edge beyond natural ability -- and Bernardini has more. Competition wise, Bernardini has seen tougher than Discreet Cat and come out on top each time so yes, he does have more 'seasoning' in that regard.
Heidilady wrote:ready for the BCC than Discreet Cat.
Ignoring the 'readiness' aspect, again I ask you , what the HELL makes you think a colt sired by a horse who can't even produce a 10f claimer and out of a mare with THREE GENERATIONS OF SPRINTERS with AWDs under 6.5f is going to be able to beat his peers at 10f, let alone beat his elders who've been facing REAL competition while he's been puddle ducking in the shallow end of the race pool?
Heidilady wrote:Second he's run a 1 1/4 already.
No he hasn't. The UAE Derby is 9 furlongs. Oh my god, you're quoting Bill Finley? There are idiots and there are jackasses... Finley is both.
Heidilady wrote:The classiest horse Dini beat was Bluegrass Cat who came out of the race with a career ending injury.
I take it you don't have much regard for Brother Derek or Dylan Thomas?
shrug... I didn't think much of Bluegrass Cat (another colt you were quite high on earlier this year who failed to live up to his continual hype -- you really need to stop listening to reporters).
Heidilady wrote:I guess Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's Hero are super tough horses to face in the JCGC
Once again, please reference any of the number of posts I've made calling that race the equivelant of a high paid public work. Jesus christ, I was advocating throwing in a high level allowance horse to fill that race out. Use your head before you make those statements, please.
Heidilady wrote:Oh so the trainer thinks he can stay the distance.
How many trainers have you EVER heard say "Hell no, we aren't going, are you daft? He'd have a coronary before he'd run that far."
There is NOTHING in this horse's immediate family that says he can win going 10f at the highest level of competition while beating his elders. I've not seen anything that makes me think he's going to get that extra furlong either. Against the kind of horses he faced in the Jerome.. sure. Against Lava Man and Bernardini -- I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is a fine line between dream and delusion. Luckily his connections do not appear to be delusional.
Heidilady wrote:Totally understandable but if you feel the horse would acquit himself well in the race it's more sportsmanlike to run.
Jesus.. that's not even worth responding to.
Heidilady wrote:I know you, Sam, do not feel he outta be there but should Bernardini not run they'd totally enter DC.
You know this how?
Heidilady wrote:Another tiny point, Discreet Cat's got more frequent flier miles than Bernardini--I'm sure travel time adding up was another factor considering Dini shacked up in NY all fall post Preakness.
You're point... weren't you the one who once said a good horse should be able to travel and still win. He's traveled and he's being coddled. He could have run in any number of G1-G2 races and not been anywhere near Bernardini .. instead he's resting on his laurels and winning an allowance race followed by an allowance race masquerading as a stake while Bernardini is out racking up G1 after G1 against the ranked 3yos.
Still annoyed that I gotta wait to see Discreet Cat.
