California Vet's List

[CA Michael]

http://chrb.ca.gov/VETLIST.pdf

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For many years, the CHRB and all CA racetracks (except Hollywood Park) conveniently removed this weekly list from their websites and racing offices. Earlier this year, after receiving public pressure from a watch dog group I belong to, the CHRB directed the tracks to make it available to the public. All but Del Mar complied. BTW, it had the highest break down rate in the country this year.

The list contains info on all breeds--TB, QH, harness--and is updated weekly. It DOES NOT list the horses which have been injured or killed in morning workouts, although the CHRB has maintained this data for years. It seems our leaders give only limited credence to the public's abillity to understand facts.

[zinn21]

List is pretty non user friendly. If you want to know what track the horse was injured at you would need to do additional leg work to determine where the horse was training. The division identifier does seperate the Los Al horses from the rest.

[CA Michael]

zinn, I think if you explore a little more you'll find what you need. The far right column identifies the track where the injury occured. If you scroll down to the last page, you'll find a legend of tracks and breeds.

[louis finochio]

Two more TB broke down on Mondayat HP, Romanee on the grass and Summer Mischief on the cushion track. Both of these TB were inbred to the max.

The TB breeders that are breeding for fashion, will escalate those break down stats.

[CA Michael]

Summer Mischief certainly was closely inbred, but Romanee was not. Louis, if you must point the finger at inbreeding for racing's ills, you might at least clearly define the degree to which it occurs.

In spite of the "establishment's" efforts to withhold from the public information on the injuries suffered by horses at the track, I think it's critical that it does so. One reason synthetic tracks are becoming popular is the higher public awareness of loss of life from inconsistent dirt tracks. Hopefully, greater attention will be also be paid to vets and trainers who overstep the bounds of good horsemanship.

[louis finochio]

Soundness starts with pedigree and Romanee's breeder did not do his homework before he planned the mating that produced Romanee.

Romanee was inbred 4X5 to Mr. P and had 13 crosses of Phalaris out of a possible 16. Romanee had 3 crosses of NP.

When these types of inbred individuals run on the new cushion race surfaces, their underpining will not stand up as they are weak bone individuals.

[Playwithfire]

When the designation is "Unsound", what exactly does that mean? The vet checked the horse out and felt that he was injured in some way and shouldn't train/race? If a horse is gets healthy again, will it be removed from the list, or does the horse stay on the list noting that it had a problem at one point in time?

thanks.

[CA Michael]

Playwithfire,

In this instance, "unsoundness" is in the eye of the racetrack veterinarian. After this determination, he/she places the horse on the list until he's satisfied (usually by examination and a workout) that the horse is once again sound. In the meantime, the horse cannot be entered to race.

Louis, Romanee is not inbred; his sire El Corredor is inbred 3 x 4 Mr. Prospector. Surely you understand the difference. If I had nothing but free time I would illustrate why your theory holds no water, but until that unhappy moment, I'll just let your ship sink on its own.

[Rez]

See all the horses pulling up lame at Portland Meadows.

[angelsprite]

C A,
Good observation. Louis, a horse is linebred, or inbred, only if the same horse appears in both sire and dam's pedigree. His sire can be linebred or inbred without the individual in question being linebred or inbred.

[zinn21]

Thanks Michael, next time I'll (duh) think about scrolling in both directions.

[Vindicated]

Did anyone else notice Showing Up on the list?
11/26/06?

[geowarrior]

Haven't looked at the list but I do remember Showing Up having some problems with vets in California. Barclay Tagg was annoyed (when is he not?). He felt that the vets just didn't realise that Showing Up is very stiff before he warms up.