NoBiz like Shobiz

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:47 pm

Triumphs again, Scat Daddy third. Thoughts on the race?

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:50 pm

I am happy Albert The Great sired "the big one."

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:52 pm

Do we know for sure he's the 'big one' yet?

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:07 pm

I don't like the way he lugged in under pressure...do you?

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:53 pm

This is ATG first "big" foal as far as I know.

henthorn · Postby **henthorn** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:10 pm

I was very impressed with Albert the Great when I visited Three Chimneys. I hadn't seen him before, and I know his sire Go For Gin got little respect when he stood at Claiborne. I've been told Albert would be totally non-commercial, but I would love him for breed-to-race. Very smart, athletic, well-balanced horse. Time will tell about the commercial aspect.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:35 pm

ATG is basically a bust at stud

Nobiz is a nice horse, but Im not sold on him yet.

Rock, I also dont like seeing horses race that green after 4 starts. He hung on that lead for a long time, and lugged in repeatedly.

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:24 pm

I didn't see the race. I've never thought of Scat Daddy being anything more than a sprinter. Did today's race confirm that?

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:45 pm

Scat Daddy probably is a 7 furlong horse, or a mile horse under the right conditions or facing the right field. But I agree with Foggytrip - I didn't like seeing Nobiz lug in on his left lead like that. This was his 4th race and he hasn't missed a beat since he broke his maiden in September - I really don't think he's still green, especially after what he got out of his Champagne effort. I really hope he doesn't show up wearing fronts next time.

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:51 pm

His pedigree is interesting with the precocity (and fragility) of Storm Cat through his dam and the ruggedness of his sire, Albert the Great. I wouldn't be surprised if this horse is hurt before the Derby, similar to Folklore. Like Albert the Great, Tiznow wasn't expected to have early runners, but Folklore had Storm Cat as a broodmare sire as well. Look what happened to her.

Tiz Wonderful had the same sort of problem and he has Hennessy as a broodmare sire.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:05 pm

Intrinsic - let's look at the nice horses out of Storm Cat mares standing stud:

Sky Mesa - 6 starts
Jump Start - 5 starts
Buddha - 4 starts
Speightstown - miss almost two years of racing

Do you see a trend of soundness here?

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:13 pm

Glad I'm not the only one seeing the trend.

Shall we start guessing when Nobiz will be out for good?

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:23 pm

It was a one turn mile but I was impressed with Nobiz...Its easy to say a horse will get hurt. There are a lot of factors that contriubute to that.

I think Tagg will manage this horse to the KY Derby...

Scatt Daddy cant go past one mile.

I was more impressed with Ravel in the Sham at Santa Anita than Nobiz.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:05 am

Ravel? Don't even mention Fu Pegs! How did Time Squared look today? LOL!

Heidilady · Postby **Heidilady** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:04 am

HR LLC wrote:It was a one turn mile but I was impressed with Nobiz...Its easy to say a horse will get hurt. There are a lot of factors that contriubute to that.

I think Tagg will manage this horse to the KY Derby...

Scatt Daddy cant go past one mile.

I was more impressed with Ravel in the Sham at Santa Anita than Nobiz.

Yeah I think if Nobiz can do it, Barclay will set him up as well as he could possibly be. Funny Cide had some major health obstacles and he worked it out.

I've been hearing a lot about Ravel. There's buzz with both him and Nobiz but obviously he hadn't done much til the Sham. I look forward to seeing the replay. Can anybody clarify pronunciation? Is it RAV-el or Rav-EL. I know how I've been hearing it in my head but I got to looking at it and decided to make sure.