When Two Fools Met

[casallc]

Wonder what Jamie Sanders is thinking about the “millions” they turned down for a $9,000 yearling? I also wonder how relieved whoever offered it is today. Had they sold Teuflesberg, Sanders would have been considered shrewd. Even if he had won, she would have been credited with the influence. With his far back finish Jamie Sanders will slide back into obscurity. I know I would never consider using anyone who has displayed such poor judgment.

[HR LLC]

I guess the chance to run in the derby was worth the amount of money they turned down...there are a lot of people who wont sell their horse for any amount of money.

They still have a decent horse. He can compete in some of the lesser 3YO stakes races coming up this summer.

[casallc]

I guess the chance to run in the derby was worth the amount of money they turned down...there are a lot of people who wont sell their horse for any amount of money.

They still have a decent horse. He can compete in some of the lesser 3YO stakes races coming up this summer.

I could understand a multi-millionaire not needing the $ and turning it down but an ex-exercise rider with limited success as a trainer? That money could have set her up and her reputation would not have been hurt. Nobody is going to remember the trainer of the horse who ran 17th in the Derby. He will never run out what he would have sold for. He spit up the bits at 7 furlongs.

[halo]

I suppose this is something that you could never understand, but there are things more important than money, believe it or not. Its hard enough to get a good horse if you have millions to spend, think how hard it is to be a little trainer like her to get a horse like him right out of the box. Horsepeople truly understand her motivation for keeping this horse.

Sounds like you have an axe to grind with her, anyway.

[casallc]

I suppose this is something that you could never understand, but there are things more important than money, believe it or not. Its hard enough to get a good horse if you have millions to spend, think how hard it is to be a little trainer like her to get a horse like him right out of the box. Horsepeople truly understand her motivation for keeping this horse.

Sounds like you have an axe to grind with her, anyway.

I guess I'm just not “horse people“. I don't know her but I do know a foolish decision. Those who let their "feelings" overcome their business sense, usually have a hard time paying the feed bill.

[Toccet02]

No need to write him off just yet. Skip Away wasn't so great in the Derby either....right?
9 million later . . . .

[MidwestTrainer]

What about Nobiz? They turned down $17 mill. I never like that horses much to start with.

[geowarrior]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Teuflesberg is a much better horse than most of you are giving him credit for, but he is not a two turn horse. He has great heart and speed and he is durable. If his connections started aiming him for the Breeder's Cup sprint, for example, he could still have value. Even at two turns his courage has eked out for him some unexpectedly good results. The biggest mistake his connections have made is succumbing to Derby fever. They aren't the first to do this and they won't be the last.

[Rokeby Forever]

$3 Million was a big offer for this horse, but the KY Derby doesn't make or break a horse like Teuflesburg....there's still the Ohio Derby, PA Derby, Indiana Derby, and others. Teuflesburg really didn't belong at 1 1/4 against the best of the crop, but if spotted correctly, he can be a really nice horse and make a ton of money.

[majxmom]

I guess Teuflesberg really didn't belong there at 12 furlongs, but I still wouldn't sell any horse that had taken me that far for ANY amount of money. And I always pay all my horse bills the same day they arrive.

There were some horses sold for big money in the '80s when I was young and poor, and I always thought that even though I would want to keep the horse, I would knuckle under for the big money. Then Exceller died in a slaughterhouse, and right then I knew: no horse that performed like that for me would ever be under anyone else's control ever. I know it now more than I know anything else about myself.

[henthorn]

Teuflesberg and many others in the Derby field can hopefully come back to do great things, now that the pressure of Derby Fever is off. Jamie Sanders did what was right for her and her horse. It's her decision, and she has to live with the aftermath. I'm sure she'd rather have the horse than the money. What good is money if you throw out the FUN? She loves that horse.

[Monmouth Matt]

Wonder what Jamie Sanders is thinking about the “millions” they turned down for a $9,000 yearling? I also wonder how relieved whoever offered it is today. Had they sold Teuflesberg, Sanders would have been considered shrewd. Even if he had won, she would have been credited with the influence. With his far back finish Jamie Sanders will slide back into obscurity. I know I would never consider using anyone who has displayed such poor judgment.

Being a little tough on her two days after the race. If your arguement was pre-race , it would be taken a bit more serious. I believe she had previously sold at least 1/2 the horse, so she may have felt comfortable with the current financial arrangement.
As far as never using her as a trainer because of her poor business judgement......you gotta be kidding me. If she can get horses to run to their potential and keep them sound, then she'll have more biz than she can handle. How 'bout some credit for taking a 9k horse and reeling off some very nice performances and huge ROI (return on investment).....that's what I'm interested in as a horseman.

[casallc]

Wonder what Jamie Sanders is thinking about the “millions” they turned down for a $9,000 yearling? I also wonder how relieved whoever offered it is today. Had they sold Teuflesberg, Sanders would have been considered shrewd. Even if he had won, she would have been credited with the influence. With his far back finish Jamie Sanders will slide back into obscurity. I know I would never consider using anyone who has displayed such poor judgment.

Being a little tough on her two days after the race. If your arguement was pre-race , it would be taken a bit more serious. I believe she had previously sold at least 1/2 the horse, so she may have felt comfortable with the current financial arrangement.
As far as never using her as a trainer because of her poor business judgement......you gotta be kidding me. If she can get horses to run to their potential and keep them sound, then she'll have more biz than she can handle. How 'bout some credit for taking a 9k horse and reeling off some very nice performances and huge ROI (return on investment).....that's what I'm interested in as a horseman.

Good horses make good trainers. Trainers made good by horses make good business decisions, otherwise they will soon be unheard of - with cheap horses.

[halo]

Seems you arent a horse person at all, since she shot your argument all to hell. It was a cheap horse that thrust her into the limelight and has shown potential clients what she's capable of. WITH a cheap horse. As in a very nice stakes horse. That is what potential clients look for.

[Monmouth Matt]

My mistake. She sold 25% of the horse last week (not 50%). Gotta figure she arned at least $500k on the sale plus the $400+ he's earned already plus took a shot at the Derby,and still owns the horse. Bet we see him show up at The King's Bishop at SAR.....think that's 7f, which may hit him right between the eyes.
Maybe she should have sold 100% of him, but it's awfully tough to get a good horse! I hope things work out well for her.