M.D shin program

[Jenny]

anyone used it. i just recieved the article from a reputable trainer i know. I have 3 two year olds to start. We try to stay prettty close to the Tom Ivers method. but they (MD shin porogram) say that you do not get the bone density required. I am not into the old method of bucking shins on purpose!! then injecting them. Cruel!! any feedback fom owners, trainers would be appreciated.

[tbrace]

Bone and Cartlidge are best built with jogging and short speed work (up to five furlongs) with A mile or two gallop in between. All done on different days, of course.

Ivers program has too much long distance in it. This only breaks down bone. His program works much better for pacers and trottoers than it does for TBs.

[Laurierace]

I have been using this for years and have yet to have a shin problem. I don't follow it to the letter however, sometimes you have to add distance a little sooner than specified because the horse is getting too sharp. Sometimes the horses aren't mentally ready to start the two minute licks right away, so we have to play it by ear with that as the blueprint.

[Heidilady]

I'm not sure I'm clear on how long distance would do anything negative to the bone. I mean I guess you could argue not enough strain is introduced but I don't know that building up a bunch of bulky muscle's so good for bones either. Seems like if they're not careful with how one is shod, if you start too early with quick pounding you could really mess with pre-existing conformational flaws and make them worse.

[FiftyYearsPlus]

I believe that the MD Shin Program is founded on extensive research conducted by Drs. Nunamaker (New Bolton) and Fisher. I went looking for such research a few years ago when I got back into the business after some bad experiences decades back.
I've used it with 4 homebreds: 2 colts and 2 fillies. Three of the four are MSW winners with Beyers in the 80's. One is G1 placed and a serious contender in a G2 this week.
I don't have time right now to elaborate but I will provide a post later in the day.

[ratherrapid]

Jenny, best of luck with your babies. If your going to do Tom Ivers training be aware that it takes a long time. I recommend watching Ivers tape "Interval Training the Thoroughbred" and his 4 tape series is very good, but, u must have a tape player. If you manage to get through Ivers training you will have a good horse, but, be forwarned, it is heck to get through.

The Maryland Shinn study imo is a valuable study and necessary reading in terms of training youngsters. Theres only a few books on training out there, but, you can get some good ideas from Preston Burchs book, and also "Whittingham" by Jay Hovdey. Both available at Amazon.

The best training book is Ross Staadens "Winning Trainers" featuring DW Lukas and T.J. Smith--their methods in detail!

[Rokeby Forever]

Ratherrapid - does that book include what Lukas did to Union City?

[ratherrapid]

Staaden goes into every aspect of the Lukas operation about 1988-89 including Lukas and his injuries. my memory is that union city was mentioned. certain tank's prospect.

[Jenny]

Thank you so much for your info. I am going to google those books you referred to. I know the Tom Ivers methods takes a long time. We really like to have sound horses and try to avoid breakdowns but the time frame is ridiculous!! for his methods. We have tweeked it a little. But I still have 4 year olds that havent started yet!!! Hopefully in the next 5 to 6 weeks. I don't think there are any horses that have as many miles as these three!! so needless to say I need to find something a little faster, but not punishing either. Esp for home grown babies you have raised and trained and put all that effort into.

[FiftyYearsPlus]

I recommend that you read this article below for its description of the re-modelling process and the training regime. The only modifications I would offer is to guard against joint stress upon completion of the 15 second series by giving them a shot of adequan at that point, and to progress no further into the 13 second series than the quarter miles and one 3/8s before stopping for a month.
I think it is also critical to limit the total interval of the gallop and breeze to one mile.
They won't go back very far in conditioning during the break and you'll have a sound solid individual to go forward with.

http://www.ctba.com/00magazine/oct00/news2.htm

Good Luck.

[ratherrapid]

It's Preakness week. Here is Bold's training for the 1951 Preakness:

1/3/51: 3f :41
7 3f :39 3/5
10 4f :53
13 5f 1:08 4/5
16 3f, :41
19 5f, 1:09
22 6f 1:23 4/5
25 3f :37 2/5
28 6f 1:18 4/5
31 4f, :49 2/5

2/3/51 7f, 1:31
6 6f 1:17
10 7f 1:34
13 5f, 1:06
16 2f :25
17 3f 35 2/5 bolted
19 Shipped to Aiken due to bruised feet and galloped 2mi/day to next breeze

3/19/51 4f :56 2/6
22 5f 1:10
25 6f, 1:26 1/5
28 4f, :49 3/5
31 6f 1:22

4/4/51 2f, :24 3/5
5 5f, 1:01 2/5
8 4f, :50
10 7f, 1:34
14 4f :48 2/5 galloped out to 5f
17 1 mile 1:45 2/5, galloped out to of in 2:01
21 4f :49.5 and 5f 1:03
24 6f, 1:13, 7f 1:27
27 3f :36 1/5
30 2f :24 sloppy track

5/1/51 1 mile 1:40 2/6 9f 1:56
4 6f 1:12
8 4f, :47 2/6
9 First start of year l 1/16 mile won by 12 (suprise surprise)
13 4f :48 2/5
14 Preakness Prep Purse--finished second 1 1/16 mile
15 shoes pulled due to sore feet
18 4f in :47 4/5 eased up in 5f in 1:02
19 Won Preakness by 7 lengths leading all the way.
Sore shins put him out of belmont
killed by lightening at a farm in 1952.

[Gallop58]

Bill O'Gorman's book outlines his training of 2YO's in Newmarket. It's a 20 week process to first race (if no setbacks). Bill was a 2YO trainer of note. Provideo was 1st 12 times and 2nd 4 times out of 16 and Timeless Times was 16-14-2.
His training and racing was done on turf (Newmarket Heath) so a translation to American dirt may not be applicable. Have always thought it was a reasonable middle ground between full IT and "90 day wonders"....
Maryland shin was nicknamed Maryland Bucked Shin by some, as it seems key that the training be done progressively and on a consistent surface. As some trainers and riders couldn't hit the prescribed workouts and had runoffs. The down side risk being if you go too fast, too soon, too far you can expect a blown tire from trainer negligence. As in all things, I think good help, logical progressive loading and seeing the devil in the details will ensure your success....

KH

[ratherrapid]

Had this Amazon gift certificate laying around. And, there's one copy of Bill O'Gorman available for $75. I sincerely hope this is good