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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:05 pm

How about DM as broodmare sire? Curlin and Rags to Riches certainly didn't do his reputation any harm. No one should be surprised at the enormity of the Northern Dancer influence throughout the 2007 TC series and as we gallop into the early stages of this century. Glad I was here to eee it. That filly made history and definitely wrote her sire into the record books with her. I hope the industry can take her efforts and run with them. On a more sensitive note, the movie RUFFIAN also put a significant perspective on the realities of fillies running against horses. The odds are just not that great. I went from the excitement of Rags to Riches winning the Belmont to sentimental tears as Ruffian was remembered in this fine movie.

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Postby Maven » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:19 pm

He's a very good broodmare sire. I like that he brings in a lot of versatility into a pedigree. He imparts both stamina and speed and they can run on any surface.

My stakes winning Street Cry and my stakes-placed Lemon Drop Kid are both out of Deputy Minister mares.
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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:01 pm

What about those 65 strains of Phalaris that Deputy Minister brings with him? :roll:
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Postby oliverstoned » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:01 pm

Hey maven I saw on one your posts your LDK filly is Lemonlime. Stakes placed to an Eclipse champion , pretty cool whats next for her?

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Postby Maven » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:27 pm

We're still looking for a spot. She came out of the race fine though. Hopefully we'll find something longer and on the turf again.

Greenstreet is in the Susan's Girl which came up REALLY tough. Wish us luck.
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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:41 pm

Neither filly has a drop of Unbridled nor Storm Cat...you can actually map out a campaign with these fillies!

Good luck with both...both are nicely bred.
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Postby Maven » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:48 pm

Good Loblolly and Erdenheim/Widener families. Hard to beat them. Class of female family above all!!!
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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:32 pm

RF wrote:
What about those 65 strains of Phalaris that Deputy Minister brings with him?


DM is bringing nothing to the breeding shed that every other high dollar stallion is presently doing. The Hancocks, Windfields, Woodwards, Phipps, Wrights, and many more breeders in 1940's took TB breeding in the direction it currently stands today. To gripe about it warrants a futile mission as nothing is going to change. No one is ever going to change the fact that the two most significant sires in the history of NA TB breeding are Nasrullah and Neartic, not Bold Ruler and not Northern Dancer. BR and ND were just exceptional extensions of Phalaris based breeding programs around the world who had the cash and connections to succeed. Bull Hancock, with the able assistance of the aforementioned owners and breeders, was certainly the primary mover. In the 60's and 70's, I believe he upwardly stood approximately 25 stallions at Claiborne. Today they stand about 12. Not one of the 25 that Bull stood then, not any of the 12 today, nor the hundreds they have stood in the history of their farm since the introduction of Nasrullah are void of multiple strains of Phalaris, though I question your figure of 65 Pharlaris strains in DM. That's a pretty deep leap of arithmetic, even with Phalaris. Lastly if a sire like DM is producing consistently high quality athletes, who cares. Take a look at Seattle Slews pedigree with Bold Ruler. Talking about the exponential accumulation of Phalaris in a particular pedigree. I hate to guess how many Phalaris line mares were bred to him. In his first crop, he produced Swale and Slew Of Gold and he was standing for $20K as I remember. Wholly cow, don't you wish you had a good allowance winning mare to have bred to him back then. Unfortunately for the Hancocks, Swale was the only shot they had at breeding to Slew. It was ashame he didn't live. But say he had lived and had gone to stud. They would have made big bucks with big foal numbers going to the track and there would be someone saying look at all those Phalaris lines leading to that foal's breeding. Interesting that Rags to Riches was by AP Indy (Bold Ruler line.) There is no doubt that many are concerned with considerable depletion of lines excluding Phalaris. The Fair Play line is practically gone. While Bull Hancock was expanding on the popularity of Nasrullah, the era of Man O'War was coming to an end as a result of a protective breeding program maintained at Faraway Farm. One can't help wonder what the status of that line might be today, if Sam Riddle and Walter Jeffords had a more open book for their horse. Time to shut up now for fear I'll open this thread to Louis and a never ending diatribe that I won't be responsible for. :wink:

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Postby louis finochio » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:32 pm

Deputy Minister is adding an outcross to the breed that many stallions cant match. Lets review DM NP sire line influence on the breed.

2 crosses of Fair Play thru Ladkin and Bunty Lawless.

2 crosses of Rock Sand thru Osiris----and Pilate.

2 crosses of Ben Brush thru Diavolo----and Ariel.

1 cross of Gainsborough thru Hyperion.

1 cross of Swynford thru Mahmoud.

1 cross of Orby thru Gold Bridge.

1 cross of Dark Ronald thru Beau Pere.

1 cross of Carbine thru Mint Briar.

1 cross of Peter Pan thru Black Toney.

DM has only 4 crosses of Phalaris within his 5 generation pedigree, as those breeders that have DM mares in their bloodstock will breed back the soundness in the breed. Thanks to EP Taylor for making the mating that produced DM, a foundation for soundness.
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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:44 pm

Hahahaha Shammy...I knew my question would bring Louis out of the woodwork. LOL!!!
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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:44 pm

Louis concluded:
DM has only 4 crosses of Phalaris within his 5 generation pedigree, as those breeders that have DM mares in their bloodstock will breed back the soundness in the breed. Thanks to EP Taylor for making the mating that produced DM, a foundation for soundness.


THANK YOU LORD. :wink: