OK, I have a serious problem with one of the horses that we have at our farm. This horse bowed a tendon and had been out of work for a year. He has been turned out at our farm and has just gotten cleared by the vet to start jogging on our Equiciser. He has been jogging for about one week, he is up to about 2 miles. He seems to be doing well.....BUT, he is entered to race TOMORROW! He has 2 works posted, one 8 days ago and one yesterday. He has not left our farm. He has not worked. He has not been ridden for a year. He has not been shod. He has not been in the gate. Etc, etc. The trainer is an ass.
Aside from the obvious fact that this horse is no where near ready to run, my biggest concern is that this is a horse with some serious class. He is not going to get tired out there and quit. He's going to keep pushing. The rider up is a somewhat inexperienced girl, she has no idea of the horses background.
This is a disaster waiting to happen, for both horse and rider, and anyone in thier way.
So the question is.....what can I do about this??? I don't care about losing a client or pay horses, I would rather not deal with this guy at all. The race is at Thistledown, the trainer has had very negative things posted about him on this board, he has been kicked out of numerous racetracks. Those of you who follow this will easily be able to figure out who I'm talking about. I am sorry to say I am associated with him in any way, but I figure if I care about his horses and board them at least someone will be keeping an eye out.
Can I go to the racing secretary, the board.....who??
HELP...serious moral issue, opinions needed ASAP
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I don't know who you should go to, but
Is exactly what you should emphasize, in light of recent events (Aqueduct spill w/ Santos due to a hurting horse)
Good luck. Hope you get more specific advice soon!
This is a disaster waiting to happen, for both horse and rider, and anyone in thier way.
Is exactly what you should emphasize, in light of recent events (Aqueduct spill w/ Santos due to a hurting horse)
Good luck. Hope you get more specific advice soon!
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Hi Amanda,
Sticky situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Is this the first time this trainer will be running this horse? If so the first thing I would do, is see if this horse has been entered in the race as an entry. It is entirely possible the trainer entered him to get a cut on him so he knows what class he had been in. Or, he could have the horse up for sale and needs a cut to show what he has done? So before you do anything rash(like calling the Stewards), I would check into this as he may very well be scratched.
If he is an entry I would call the trainer first and tell him that you saw the horse is in. He may say right off, no I'm scratching him. Then the problem will be solved--but if you find out he is actually going to run him, I would tell him about your concerns. There is no trainer in their right mind that would run a horse off a bow that has been jogging 5 days. My concern is, if you take this to the stewards, and the guy had intentions of scratching all along it would end up making your good intentions look like a lack of communication. Think about it, there is a lot that must be done to him prior to race day tomorrow. He would have called you by now with shipping arrangements and to have th horse shod. I think he probably won't run. But if he tells you he is running--tell him flat out that the horse isn't ready. Your options would be to call the Stewards which will open a big can of worms--as this is more than an idiot running an unfit horse. Either the clockers or the trainer will get in a bind for manipulating workouts. So you will have to be prepared to get involved with a real internal problem with lots of repercussions. If you prefer not to take such an open avenue, I would call the rider. Make sure you speak with the rider and not her agent. Explain to her the situation so she will be aware of the fact he isn't fit and she will take the necessary precautions to get herself and the horse home safely. TJ
Sticky situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Is this the first time this trainer will be running this horse? If so the first thing I would do, is see if this horse has been entered in the race as an entry. It is entirely possible the trainer entered him to get a cut on him so he knows what class he had been in. Or, he could have the horse up for sale and needs a cut to show what he has done? So before you do anything rash(like calling the Stewards), I would check into this as he may very well be scratched.
If he is an entry I would call the trainer first and tell him that you saw the horse is in. He may say right off, no I'm scratching him. Then the problem will be solved--but if you find out he is actually going to run him, I would tell him about your concerns. There is no trainer in their right mind that would run a horse off a bow that has been jogging 5 days. My concern is, if you take this to the stewards, and the guy had intentions of scratching all along it would end up making your good intentions look like a lack of communication. Think about it, there is a lot that must be done to him prior to race day tomorrow. He would have called you by now with shipping arrangements and to have th horse shod. I think he probably won't run. But if he tells you he is running--tell him flat out that the horse isn't ready. Your options would be to call the Stewards which will open a big can of worms--as this is more than an idiot running an unfit horse. Either the clockers or the trainer will get in a bind for manipulating workouts. So you will have to be prepared to get involved with a real internal problem with lots of repercussions. If you prefer not to take such an open avenue, I would call the rider. Make sure you speak with the rider and not her agent. Explain to her the situation so she will be aware of the fact he isn't fit and she will take the necessary precautions to get herself and the horse home safely. TJ
1)The trainer has the papers in his name at the track so when the clockers ask who is this working. The trainer just gives the clockers the name of the horse that is on the farm. Of course, the clockers have no idea who the actual horse on the track is. They just write down the name and the time. So I can see how this horse may have workouts listed under its name.
2)Maybe the horse on the farm has similar markings to another horse the trainer has at the track. In this case, the trainer could try to get horse at the track by the ID guy before the race. That should be impossible if the ID person is checking the lip number on the horses in the race.
3) The Stewards should be contacted ASAP about this.
2)Maybe the horse on the farm has similar markings to another horse the trainer has at the track. In this case, the trainer could try to get horse at the track by the ID guy before the race. That should be impossible if the ID person is checking the lip number on the horses in the race.
3) The Stewards should be contacted ASAP about this.
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glad to learn u r concerned! my action on this. first, i'd verify the entry with the racing office. sounds too incredible. if the horse in fact is entered and it is the horse ur talking about, next i'd call the state racing commission and find out who to talk to--probably the State Vet. there are specific rules on readiness and fitness that are codified into the rules, which is hardly to mention reporting fictional works. unsure that i'd have any contact with the trainer here. unnecessary for him to know i'm involved.
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petersd, substitute critter actually worked. Trainer turns in this one's name... happens quite often. Also happens in reverse, trainer wants to "hide" a horses better works, so lists a "ghost".
Amanda, you are going to have to call the trainer. Ask him about his intent... it sounds to me like he plans on a scratch. Possibly entered to help fill a race. I would just say, "... hey, what gives? Tell me you don't have any intention of running this critter anytime soon. AND, how the heck did you sneak him off my farm for those works. By the way, he is doing well, but won't be ready for a rider for a few weeks."
You need to give him a chance first, let him know you are paying attention second. If someone comes to collect horse for the track, you first call should be to the racing secretary, then the next to the stewards, and then to the state vet.
Amanda, you are going to have to call the trainer. Ask him about his intent... it sounds to me like he plans on a scratch. Possibly entered to help fill a race. I would just say, "... hey, what gives? Tell me you don't have any intention of running this critter anytime soon. AND, how the heck did you sneak him off my farm for those works. By the way, he is doing well, but won't be ready for a rider for a few weeks."
You need to give him a chance first, let him know you are paying attention second. If someone comes to collect horse for the track, you first call should be to the racing secretary, then the next to the stewards, and then to the state vet.
Thanks for all the advice.
This trainer has another horse in the same race so I don't think it's simply a matter of filling the race. It wouldn't be the first time he's run him, he owned him before he bowed. And unfortunately he has been known to run horses that weren't ready. He sent out one stud that was walking horribly, said the horse needed some R&R, and then entered him 5 days later. He also worked a horse after the vet said specifically to just walk him and he also bowed. Worst bow I've ever seen and he was going to ship him off to Sugarcreek. I now have the horse and am keeping him until I can find a home. So nothing would surprise me about this guy.
As far as shipping arrangements, we are 25 minutes from the track, he hauls his own, and he picks them up sometimes the morning of the race without communication to us.
We are going up to the track this afternoon, he's got a horse in, and will see what he says. If he does plan on running the horse you should all get online and watch, as I suspect there may be some girl who causes all kinds of chaos while holding up racing by laying down in front of the starting gate.......good entertainment before they slap on the handcuffs!!!
This trainer has another horse in the same race so I don't think it's simply a matter of filling the race. It wouldn't be the first time he's run him, he owned him before he bowed. And unfortunately he has been known to run horses that weren't ready. He sent out one stud that was walking horribly, said the horse needed some R&R, and then entered him 5 days later. He also worked a horse after the vet said specifically to just walk him and he also bowed. Worst bow I've ever seen and he was going to ship him off to Sugarcreek. I now have the horse and am keeping him until I can find a home. So nothing would surprise me about this guy.
As far as shipping arrangements, we are 25 minutes from the track, he hauls his own, and he picks them up sometimes the morning of the race without communication to us.
We are going up to the track this afternoon, he's got a horse in, and will see what he says. If he does plan on running the horse you should all get online and watch, as I suspect there may be some girl who causes all kinds of chaos while holding up racing by laying down in front of the starting gate.......good entertainment before they slap on the handcuffs!!!
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What makes no sense is why he entered him? As part of an entry it does not help fill the race. Do not be surprised if he runs this horse. It happens more than you think. I saw a horse that had been in a pasture for 2 years come in and work one 3/8 and they entered him in a race.
You could call the stewards and explain the situation, they won't bring your name into it. Though the guy will probably figure it out.
You could call the stewards and explain the situation, they won't bring your name into it. Though the guy will probably figure it out.
