And HERE THEY COME INTO THE BREEDING SHED!!!!

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:41 am

First Invasor.. now scat daddy.

It was my belief that this, behind stormello, might be the most mismanaged horse of the year. The horse obviously had very very bad feet going into the derby, they ran him anyway. he didn't come CLOSE to running his race. now he's done

1) What breeding shed
2) How much do you think they got
3) What will his stud fee
4) who is next?

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:26 pm

The Pletcher butchershop - come on in, for a snack - only half a mile from the railroad track....

ratherrapid · Postby **ratherrapid** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:28 pm

located right next to

"why do two miles when one mile will do" mcglaughlin lines.

UmmYeah · Postby **UmmYeah** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:21 pm

bdw0617 wrote:4) who is next?

The Green Monkey.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:34 pm

I say Circular Quay. Right now this might be the most useless horse in the 3 YO ranks... he's not even his owners best horse in the division (rags to riches).

He has a grade 1.

He's out of Thunder Glutch.. make of that what you will.

they didn't' pay jack squat for him, he's a homered so anything they can get is gravy I suppose... but if they are trying to win Grade 1's.... would you actually run Quay over Rags? I wouldn't

the Moore I see it, i don't see curlin making it to august. The federal case, the fact that they bought him as an investment... and I'd bred to him before Street Sense right now with that deputy minister on the bottom

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:30 pm

Rat Daddy....I mean, Scat Daddy, is worthless. He has rotten feet and they probably exploded in his work last week.

Wait a minute...rotten feet might sell. $200,000 for Unbridled's Song, $100,000 for Empire Maker, $40,000 for Rockport Harbor.....

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:06 pm

40 GRAND for rockport harbor?

man, pass that stuff they are on.

you just can't reach into a bowl and pick a number off the top of your head.. it has to actually have some value.

Rockport harbor wasn't even GOOD. I can bred to Lion Heat... multiple grade 1 winner... or Rockport harbor.. who wasn't in the best 3 3YO's in the stalls when he was down here in arkansas.

40 freakin grand? I can bred to pleasant tap 3 times!

anyway. He is out of a win early sire.... he won VERY early.. he's talented.. I don't blame the feet problem on him, I blame them on his trainer for not caring for them properly.

However, I didn't say I would bred to him... I like his daddy however. He has a nice little filly on the turf out in SoCal.. Ingrid the Gambler... he's versitile, he wins early, they seem to develop, they aren't the most soundest things on earth but they aren't Forestries either

you couldn't pay me to give a horse to pletcher.. but if I HAD to, I would make sure he was on the west coast...so they would be under McCarthy's eye

Trainers who are so preoccupied on getting 5... actually 9.. he had 4 that didn't go or didn't qualify, horses to the derby, don't have time to notice little things like a horses FEET.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:23 pm

bdw0617 wrote: and I'd bred to him before Street Sense right now with that deputy minister on the bottom

Street Sense has a much deeper pedigree and is out of Dixieland Band, the King of the current broodmare sires.

Not downplaying Deputy Minister, both my 3 yo stakes winning fillies are out of Deputy Minister mares, but based JUST on pedigree, Street Sense is the superior individual as a stallion prospect.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:56 pm

I'm not basing my opinion on pedigree. First of all.. I like what smart strike brings to the table so far more than what see from Street Cry. I can bred for a variety of things with smart strike. Just becuase Curlin hasn't raced on grass doesn't mean he can't. his most impressive win to date was his 6F maiden win so he can sprint, there just isn't any money in spriting.. a la lemon drop kid on turf

Plus he's bigger more robust than Street Sense is.

I do like that Dixieland Band however.. you make a great point

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:14 pm

Anybody want to take a stab at how much they will charge for the Iron Horse Scat Daddy.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:30 pm

.... how does Tabor own half of the damn good horses in the country?

anyway... actually I LOVE his pedigree.. Mr. Prosptctor on the bottom, JOHANNESBURG on the top.

2 Grade 1 wins.. Only Street Sense can say that. Can run seemingly forever when right

$50k

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:46 pm

i take that back... cut it in half

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:58 pm

You can only get out of Tb whats bred into them. Invasor was produced from an outcross mating and still went down with an injury.

Scat Daddy had 10 crosses of Phalaris and was inbred 2 X 4 to Mr. P.
The Tb that were produced from outcross matings will make more lifetime starts than those that are inbred.

When these inbred Tb are placed in training many of them will never make one start, as their underpining is weakned by the close inbreeding. It is going to get worse before it gets better as those NP sire lines are vanishing to provide the much needed outcross.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:02 pm

i didn' understand the concept of inbreeding and out breeding until you just explained it... if that is the case I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:38 pm

You have no business breeding race horses if you just let that one post dictate your thoughts on a particular stallion.

Breeding is not an exact science. For every method there is evidence to the contrary.

Scat Daddy is 4sx2d through two daughters.

Quiet American is 3sx2d to Dr. Fager through two daughters AND he's 4sx3d to Cequillo through two daughters.

Would you have touched Quiet American with a 10 foot pole?

Inbreeding is used to re-enforce the good traits in a pedigree. In doing so, it also re-enforces some bad traits. The key to inbreeding, is to do it through top notch animals and do it in a way that will compliment both pedigree structure and the individual.

There are many theories that go along with breeding inbred horses. In fact, many of the top breeders thought a highly inbred horse was a better animal in the shed in achieving a greater generation after it.

Again, theories change and evolve, but Scat Daddy brings the elements you want to the table, there's no reason to run because of Mr. P inbreeding. That COULD be shooting yourself in the foot.

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