Peeping Fawn

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:32 pm

Michael Tabor has another amazing 3yo filly apart from Rags to Riches. Peeping Fawn won the Nassau Stakes at Goodwood, England yesterday, her third consecutive G-1 win, after taking the Pretty Polly Stakes and Irish Oaks.

She is a huge filly (16.2 hh and 1100lbs!!) and beat several classic winning fillies including English Oaks winner Light Shift as well as older filly, MG1SW Mandesha, yesterday.

Her trainer, Aidan O'Brien said yesterday that she is being aimed for the Prix de L, Arc de Triomphe (where she'll take on the boys and probably meet Mandesha again)and then the Breeders Cup Filly and Mare Turf (where she'll meet Light Shift again).

What with RTR in the Distaff, SS, AGS, Curlin, Hard Spun and Lawyer Ron in the BC Classic, Dylan Thomas looking like a runner in the BC Turf, the Breeders Cup is looking like being a smorgasbord of mouthwatering racing come October. I can't wait!!

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:35 pm

On a related note, Rags to Riches and Peeping Fawn are closely related. They're out of 3-quarter sisters, daughters of Blush With Pride.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:25 pm

Peeping Fawn: Another Buckpasser/Hail To Reason cross helping to beautify the planet.

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:20 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Peeping Fawn: Another Buckpasser/Hail To Reason cross helping to beautify the planet.

I think Peeping Fawn's brilliance has much more to do with the Danehill/Sadlers Wells cross with a 3rd strain of Natalma (RF) close up and a stellar female family on the bottom line than a single remote cross of Buckpasser/HTR.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:54 pm

Worksoplad wrote: I think Peeping Fawn's brilliance has much more to do with the Danehill/Sadlers Wells cross with a 3rd strain of Natalma (RF) close up and a stellar female family on the bottom line than a single remote cross of Buckpasser/HTR.

Here's an example of what I see when you double up Northern Dancer 3X3 to a filly from a stellar family on the bottom that lacks a single remote cross to Buckpasser/HTR:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/troubling

On top of being unraced, I think she's had five foals, none to race (or at least win a race).

Remove Buckpasser and/or Hail To Reason from Peeping Fawn and you remove the card that collapses the house.

Adding Natalma to stellar female family is everything, huh?

I suppose that the Buckpasser in Weekend Surprise combined with Slew's Hail To Reason isn't responsible for AP Indy. When Weekend Surprise was bred to Storm Cat, who lacks Hail To Reason, the results were Tiger Ridge and Norway. Coincidence, huh?

When Welcome Surprise, Weekend Surprise's daughter that carries the same Buckpasser through Lassie Dear, was bred to Storm Cat, who completely lacks Hail To Reason, the result was Mr Sekiguchi.

Why shouldn't Peeping Fawn aim for the L'Arc? Last year's winner, Rail Link is Buckpasser/Hail To Reason.

A million more examples....check out the Buckpasser/Hail To Reason thread.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:24 am

what i wouldn't give to see admire moon here on BC day

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:22 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:
Worksoplad wrote: I think Peeping Fawn's brilliance has much more to do with the Danehill/Sadlers Wells cross with a 3rd strain of Natalma (RF) close up and a stellar female family on the bottom line than a single remote cross of Buckpasser/HTR.

Here's an example of what I see when you double up Northern Dancer 3X3 to a filly from a stellar family on the bottom that lacks a single remote cross to Buckpasser/HTR:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/troubling

On top of being unraced, I think she's had five foals, none to race (or at least win a race).

Remove Buckpasser and/or Hail To Reason from Peeping Fawn and you remove the card that collapses the house.

Adding Natalma to stellar female family is everything, huh?

I suppose that the Buckpasser in Weekend Surprise combined with Slew's Hail To Reason isn't responsible for AP Indy. When Weekend Surprise was bred to Storm Cat, who lacks Hail To Reason, the results were Tiger Ridge and Norway. Coincidence, huh?

When Welcome Surprise, Weekend Surprise's daughter that carries the same Buckpasser through Lassie Dear, was bred to Storm Cat, who completely lacks Hail To Reason, the result was Mr Sekiguchi.

Why shouldn't Peeping Fawn aim for the L'Arc? Last year's winner, Rail Link is Buckpasser/Hail To Reason.

A million more examples....check out the Buckpasser/Hail To Reason thread.

Northern Dancer's (147 SW, 5.10 AEI) inbreeding influence is listed at 30%, Natalma's at 18.75%, Buckpasser and HTR must be 0.001%. Danehill (Peeping Fawn's sire) has sired over 340 stakes winners and has at least one new one per week. Sadlers Wells (Peeping Fawn's dam sire) has over 275 SW and counting. Which ancestors had most influence.

Instead of concentrating on your pet subject, Mr. Sekiguchi, why not look at the other 600+ stakes winners sired by Sadler's Wells and Danehill and see how much influence HTR and Buckpasser had on them.

Don't get me started on Storm Cat. I think he is a mediocre stallion at best and out of the 13 horses I have bred so far since I started in 2002, I haven't bred to a single SC line stallion (although I hesitate to call it a "line") and have no intention of doing so in the future.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:24 pm

No point, Works. Let him hold on to what's left of his mind.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:31 pm

Actually Work, I like A LOT of what you just wrote, but let's consider:

I will never, never, never have anything negative to write about Danzig. That being said (or written):

1. Spring Adieu is closer up in Danehill's pedigree than is Natalma. True enough that Spring Adieu is a daughter, but don't think that Danehill didn't become a great sire without having Busanda as an influence.

2. Not many Danehills are bred in Kentucky, but of the ones that are, Peeping Fawn and Alexander Of Hades are Danehill's only American offspring in his top 10 worldwide money earners this year. What interesting cross do they both have...do the initials "HTR" mean anything? Or, just coincidence?

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:34 pm

Rokeby:

I am well attuned to the value of Spring Adieu in a pedigree. Here is a 2yo of mine getting ready to run at the Oak Tree meet (I was hoping for Del Mar, but my trainer's favorite saying is: "the horse will tell you when it's ready!!")

http://www.pedigreequery.com/moldy+joe

The mare has an Aptitude weanling colt and is back in foal to Street Cry. I am considering sending the mare to Ireland to foal there and breed back to either Galileo, Montjeu (Authorized is bred on similar lines to prospective foal) or Dansili.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:34 pm

Worksoplad - nothing would make me happier than to see Moldy Joe win a Grade 1 so I can add him to the list of HTR/Buckpasser crossed runners I've already written about!

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:41 pm

Rokeby: From your lips to ...

wallinga · Postby **wallinga** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:05 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:
Remove Buckpasser and/or Hail To Reason from Peeping Fawn and you remove the card that collapses the house.

Adding Natalma to stellar female family is everything, huh?

I suppose that the Buckpasser in Weekend Surprise combined with Slew's Hail To Reason isn't responsible for AP Indy. When Weekend Surprise was bred to Storm Cat, who lacks Hail To Reason, the results were Tiger Ridge and Norway. Coincidence, huh?

When Welcome Surprise, Weekend Surprise's daughter that carries the same Buckpasser through Lassie Dear, was bred to Storm Cat, who completely lacks Hail To Reason, the result was Mr Sekiguchi.

So Summer Squall is a freak of nature?