BEWARE!!!!!!!!!BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!

[martha c. green]

DO NOT give horses to a scum bag by the name of VERN RING . He says he will find good homes for horses finished at the track. BUT puts them on the first truck he can find going to the KILLERS... Be careful who you give horses to. His phone # is 609 992 6740.

[westover]

where is he? i HATE crap like that.

[martha c. green]

He tells people he has a big farm in N. J. This deal I am talking about now was at Penn. Nat. on 12 Dec. 3 days later the mare was on the killer truck.

[lucalucaluca]

were you or somebody else able to save the mare? i thought there was a law in the USA prohibiting slaughter of racehorses in American territory! Wasn't that law passed yet? Absurd!!!

[martha c. green]

Yes this lovely mare is safe and sound now. The only reason was because of the snow storm out weat. The truck was delayed and that gave the girl the needed time to get the $$ to by the mare from the meet man. There is a law here but they are shipping horses to Mexico and Canada.

[horsenuts]

The anti-slaughter measures are creating new problems for horses.... many are being "dumped off" and abandoned as well as simply emaciated by people who either refiuse to feed them or can't afford to.

[Marli]

Just to add:

This mare was saved via generous donations of some special individuals and will more than likely go into the AC4H rescue program. Never thought I'd be happy about a huge snowstorm, but in this case- it was a godsend.

[halfbridled]

I am glad you got some help to get her back. Glad that your mare is safe..wish we had a nationwide list of these people who dupe owners.

[martha c. green]

OK Horsenuts... , Maybe you didn't understand the post. The mare was given to VERN RING with the understanding he had a great home for her as a broodmare. Three days later he puts her on a the truck for the meet man.This has to do with FRAUD, not finding the mare a good home as he stated he was doing. YES there is a problem with all the unwanted horses but that is not the issue here.

[halfbridled]

Found this site FYI: http://commonhorsesense.net/index.php on the bottom left side there is a list of known KBers and also KBer auctions..

[horsenuts]

OK Horsenuts... , Maybe you didn't understand the post. The mare was given to VERN RING with the understanding he had a great home for her as a broodmare. Three days later he puts her on a the truck for the meet man.This has to do with FRAUD, not finding the mare a good home as he stated he was doing. YES there is a problem with all the unwanted horses but that is not the issue here.

Okay, understood.


But just as in physics for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and the anti-slaughter laws have lead to the problem stated with unwanted horses being "dumped" etc. along with depressed prices for horses in general and hay farmers seeing a drop in prices for their horse hay.


I go to the animal shelter and see countless 1000s of dogs and cats that will be meeting their demise in a day or two. Horses live to be 30+ years old in many cases. How many people can afford to feed an animal for that length of time?

[going4stamina]

Then a correction in the (over)breeding market is the answer. People with horse sense should figure out that right now it is cheaper to buy your regional horse than to breed your regional bred to race horse.

How is this deflating the price of horse hay? More horses should equal more demand..that doesn't make economic sense to me?

[horsenuts]

Then a correction in the (over)breeding market is the answer. People with horse sense should figure out that right now it is cheaper to buy your regional horse than to breed your regional bred to race horse.

How is this deflating the price of horse hay? More horses should equal more demand..that doesn't make economic sense to me?

Less horses = less demand for hay.... horses that have no usefullness left = "dumped/abandoned" or simply euthanized(as though euthanization is any better or different then slaughter).


But NO way will people continue to feed such animals as they can't afford too. I can name my price for working ranch horses now and it just keeps getting worse. I have people begging me to buy horses..... but why should I?.... eventually they'll just give them to me based on how fast they call back reducuing the price from $2,500 to $1,000 with comments like "I've got to get rid of some horses" and "I don't know what I'm going to do with these horses" etc.


It's bad here in Texas.... and the anti-slaughter measures have done NOTHING except lead to abandoned horses and euthinization along with dropping prices for the average using horse.

[halfbridled]

Horses live to be 30+ years old in many cases. How many people can afford to feed an animal for that length of time?

People buy a horse knowing how long he lives and that they eat..poop and eat some more. Ideas? Cut the cable for 4 months and save up for a humane death. Ask for help from the local rescues or see if they have someone legally able to euthanize. Some states do allow this and it is cheaper. Donate the horse rather than sending it to auction. This saves the rescue big bucks so they don't bid against the KBer. Put 10 dollars away a month so when time comes you are not struggling to find euthanasia money..

If I could tell you how many people I have heard of that were duped by a KBer you would be shocked. One even paraded as Joe at TB Friends last year, told people their horse was going to rescue and sent their horse packing on the first SH bound truck. Imagine the owners shock when they called the REAL Joe and discovered that their horse was not there. Have heard of a bunch stolen too, some estimates are as high as 30K a year stolen.

Shows to me that there is more demand than supply...who is doing who the favor???

[going4stamina]

Supply-demand starts in the breeding shed. Gas is expensive, hay is expensive, price of corn and other feed is going up. May be going into recession, people who might be buying at the yearling sales, may decrease and hold on to their pocketbook. People who could have afforded an OTTB earlier, may not be able to now. If you don't want to contribute to the problem, or don't want to have a foal worth less than the stud fee come sales time, this is the year to NOT TAKE THE GAMBLE on breeding. Heck, if you are wanting to go to the track, there will still be plenty of 2-3 yos to buy(cheaper than breeding and upkeep), and you already know what they look like, maybe even seen them work, and see if they have an ounce of run in them.

That nice 15 year old mare that has had a foal every year past 8-10 years. Time to give her that break you know is the right thing to do. The 5 yo maiden mare you are bringing home from the track that has no black-type in 3 generations--give her a turn-out and find her a new career instead of adding to the saturated market and losing your shirt.
Usually breed 5-10 mares, cut it in half and choose the best stallions for the best mares to make a racehorse instead of splitting your stud fees between all the mares and having every foal be just "good enough". These are the things the TB industry should and could be doing and good business people will instinctively do. It is time to be smart.

As far as ranch/performance/pleasure/traditional western stock breeds--they have created the mess they are in by allowing AI, overbreeding, and encouraging absolutely ZERO accountability for their registry members. Don't blame the slaughter ban, blame goes squarely on those who have created the dilemma in the first place--OVER BREEDING and lack of accountability coupled with tougher financial times. Same thing happened in the early 80's when farmers who had been buying nice family horses suddenly had falling wheat prices and credit to pay up and the bottom of the pleasure/performance horse industry fell out. I know, my family was affected. Guess what--we stopped breeding our mares, every horse became a top notch riding horse (instead of a broodmare prospect)and we were ok. Gotta be financially savvy and always, always do the right thing.