Dutrow gets 15 days ...

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:27 am

... as a result of a test positive for twice the allowed amount of clenbuterol in Salute the Count who finished 2nd. in the Aegon Stakes. Purse is also forfeited.

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:44 am

This is a shock...I never knew Dutrow used drugs...

hdembski · Postby **hdembski** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:05 pm

Big Shock, can't wait for the ban of all these drugs then Rich can go back to sleeping in the street because it looks like he can't compete without the stuff

KamiBrooks · Postby **KamiBrooks** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:01 pm

Granted, that was from a May 2nd race, so well before the "drug-free ('cept Lasix)' press release... but the timing is just too funny...

They have to be working from some sort of secret script somewhere... I find it so hard to believe this group can be the bumbling fools that circumstances are making them look like.

TWICE the legal limit... and the horse was probably on Lasix, so technically, he was probably so far past the limit that it was a fading dot on the horizon...

IF it had happened AFTER the KD and all the public hoopla, then I might think it was someone screwing with them... but that race was back before anything started.... hmmm.... I'm sure the vet told him to do it.

Sure would suck to be those owners, hope they never actually collected the purse.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:40 pm

Clenbuterol is a daily med for some. It's easy for mistakes to be made by whomever does the medicating. I'm just sayin...

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:36 pm

Tucumcari wrote:Clenbuterol is a daily med for some. It's easy for mistakes to be made by whomever does the medicating. I'm just sayin...

Thank you. I was beginning to think this place had been overrun by hypocrits with hidden agendas. Good to see at least one person isn't 'casting stones' and has the sense and understanding to know what all is involved.

TB horses have been 'drugged' and 'medicated' from the very first race dating back centuries. I thought the Phar Lap autoposy would open a few eyes and put an end to this endless drivel and nonsense that gets posted here about racing needing to be as pure as snow etc.

Phar Lap ODing from 'arsenic poison' was no surprise. Arsenic was commonly given to horses and still is today as a 'tonic' to 'increase appetite'(sound familiar) which lead to more vigor and stamina which enables greater athletic performance. Also, Cocaine used to be put in Coca Cola for human consumption so lets keep things in perspective. Drugs have been a part of humankind as well as equines for centuries and to think what is taking place in racing today is anything new is simply naive.

Barbaro06 · Postby **Barbaro06** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:58 pm

The drug use has gotten out of hand. I don't think folks are that naive to ever think that horse racing was "pure." I read too much to be such a bumpkin.

Drugs have crept into the show ring as well (and probably have been in there for a long time too)...far past putting cinnamon up a horse's arse to make them more "fiery."

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:00 pm

Okay I'm naive. Now get rid of the drugs !!!!!

KamiBrooks · Postby **KamiBrooks** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:26 pm

Tucumcari wrote:Clenbuterol is a daily med for some. It's easy for mistakes to be made by whomever does the medicating. I'm just sayin...

Okay, so you're telling me that a horse that needs Clenbuterol on a daily basis is healhty enough to be racing? If there is a respiratory thing going on, wouldn't it make more sense to diagnose and deal with it? Even if that means taking your horse out of mold ridden backside stalls to a cleaner environment? If the track is famous for it's <trackname> crud, then isn't it better that the tracks clean up their environment than to put half the horses there onto a drug to counteract continuous low grade respiratory infections?

Ooopppsss... Clenbuterol all around is just quicker and cheaper for everyone involved.

pfrsue · Postby **pfrsue** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:47 pm

horsenuts wrote:Phar Lap ODing from 'arsenic poison' was no surprise. Arsenic was commonly given to horses and still is today as a 'tonic' to 'increase appetite'(sound familiar) which lead to more vigor and stamina which enables greater athletic performance. Also, Cocaine used to be put in Coca Cola for human consumption so lets keep things in perspective. Drugs have been a part of humankind as well as equines for centuries and to think what is taking place in racing today is anything new is simply naive.

My perspective is that arsenic is toxic and killed an exceptional horse. Coca-Cola no longer contains cocaine. Those are things that were found to be ultimately detrimental to the health of those who ingested them.

I don't think anyone seriously believes that drugs are a new feature to horse racing. After all, the use of drugs was why drug testing was implemented and why certain substances were banned.

The fact that administering performance enhancing drugs and substances has probably been going on since before the Godolphin Arabian was a twinkle in his mother's eye does not in any way justify it.

Blue feather · Postby **Blue feather** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:18 pm

It's my understanding that Dutrow has had 72 violations including 13 drug related violations since 1979. Not only is he still allowed to be involved in thoroughbred racing but he nearly went down in history as the trainer of a triple crown winner. What would the minimum sentence be if a person had 72 criminal violations? One governing body should certainly help empower otherwise chaotic, inane and arbitrary system.

Roger · Postby **Roger** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:42 pm

Twice the legal limit? What is the legal limit for clenbuterol? I think it is almost one of those O based tolerance things. If this is true, then we are dealing in nanograms or something very small. .000001 parts per million compared to .0000002 really is a problem. It just sounds sooooo good to say twice the legal limit. I don't like to be around people who toot their own horn, its just a behavior that I don't like because they usually aren't interested in my thoughts or opinions and that makes them as bad as me. I would not like to around Dutrow except in a classroom setting.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:56 pm

KamiBrooks wrote:
Tucumcari wrote:Clenbuterol is a daily med for some. It's easy for mistakes to be made by whomever does the medicating. I'm just sayin...

Okay, so you're telling me that a horse that needs Clenbuterol on a daily basis is healhty enough to be racing? If there is a respiratory thing going on, wouldn't it make more sense to diagnose and deal with it? Even if that means taking your horse out of mold ridden backside stalls to a cleaner environment? If the track is famous for it's <trackname> crud, then isn't it better that the tracks clean up their environment than to put half the horses there onto a drug to counteract continuous low grade respiratory infections?

Ooopppsss... Clenbuterol all around is just quicker and cheaper for everyone involved.

Clenbuterol is far from cheap.And necessary for bleeders, infections, etc...

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:58 pm

And Dutrow is 99% not the person administering it. Accidents happen

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:08 pm

According to Daily Racing form the acceptable limit for clenbuterol is 25 picograms/ml ; Dutrow's horse showed 41 picograms / ml.

On another note I see that Asmussen also has a new drug positive for lidocaine in Tx.

I could almost agree with Tucumari that accidents do happen, which they certainly do, but the trainer's hstory doesn't help here.

What is the owner left with when all is said & done ?