Wasn't paying to much attention to the race on TVG until the stretch call of the 4th Race at Penn National tonight.
Looked like three or four horses went down. Just horrible?
As I recall they had a bad spill last week too.
Anyone have any information?
REALLY BAD SPILL AT PENN NATIONAL
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Shammy Davis
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Here's the chart - it looks pretty bad:
http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 10USA4.pdf
And a thread on the topic from elsewhere:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showt ... p?t=240332
http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 10USA4.pdf
And a thread on the topic from elsewhere:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showt ... p?t=240332
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Ageecee posted:
You are not going to start this again, are you?
I posted some research links on Louis' thread that show that horses can run on healed strains often referred to as bows. Actually, there is research that shows that there are many cases of misdiagnosis and that was reported by the Grayson JC. According to that research, if a horse suffered a "true" bow, their career would be ended. It's that castrophic. It is more likely that horses diagnosed w/bows are dealing w/strains. These are recoverable injuries.
The temperatures in the Mid-Atlantic have been hostile. I've not checked for PA, but it was not until yesterday that we had temperatures in Central VA above 30F. The lows have been in the high teens. The ground is rock hard with a high moisture content from the snow that is not melting. I watched the race, somewhat inattentively I admit, but the first quarter was run in 22.1. There was another significant breakdown last week. Unless you really know or have some factual evidence, IMO, it is really important that we keep our facts straight and acknowledge gossip when we see it or use it.
heard the horse had 2 bows-DD's horse that is
You are not going to start this again, are you?
I posted some research links on Louis' thread that show that horses can run on healed strains often referred to as bows. Actually, there is research that shows that there are many cases of misdiagnosis and that was reported by the Grayson JC. According to that research, if a horse suffered a "true" bow, their career would be ended. It's that castrophic. It is more likely that horses diagnosed w/bows are dealing w/strains. These are recoverable injuries.
The temperatures in the Mid-Atlantic have been hostile. I've not checked for PA, but it was not until yesterday that we had temperatures in Central VA above 30F. The lows have been in the high teens. The ground is rock hard with a high moisture content from the snow that is not melting. I watched the race, somewhat inattentively I admit, but the first quarter was run in 22.1. There was another significant breakdown last week. Unless you really know or have some factual evidence, IMO, it is really important that we keep our facts straight and acknowledge gossip when we see it or use it.
[quote="Shammy Davis"]Ageecee posted: [quote]heard the horse had 2 bows-DD's horse that is[/quote]
You are not going to start this again, are you?
I posted some research links on Louis' thread that show that horses can run on healed strains often referred to as bows. Actually, there is research that shows that there are many cases of misdiagnosis and that was reported by the Grayson JC. According to that research, if a horse suffered a "true" bow, their career would be ended. It's that castrophic. It is more likely that horses diagnosed w/bows are dealing w/strains. These are recoverable injuries.
The temperatures in the Mid-Atlantic have been hostile. I've not checked for PA, but it was not until yesterday that we had temperatures in Central VA above 30F. The lows have been in the high teens. The ground is rock hard with a high moisture content from the snow that is not melting. I watched the race, somewhat inattentively I admit, but the first quarter was run in 22.1. There was another significant breakdown last week. Unless you really know or have some factual evidence, IMO, it is really important that we keep our facts straight and acknowledge gossip when we see it or use it.[/quote]
Shammy,
I had someone tell me the horse had 2 bows. Everyone knew the horse had 2 bows. This person was looking at this horse to claim. This person would not make this up.
You are not going to start this again, are you?
I posted some research links on Louis' thread that show that horses can run on healed strains often referred to as bows. Actually, there is research that shows that there are many cases of misdiagnosis and that was reported by the Grayson JC. According to that research, if a horse suffered a "true" bow, their career would be ended. It's that castrophic. It is more likely that horses diagnosed w/bows are dealing w/strains. These are recoverable injuries.
The temperatures in the Mid-Atlantic have been hostile. I've not checked for PA, but it was not until yesterday that we had temperatures in Central VA above 30F. The lows have been in the high teens. The ground is rock hard with a high moisture content from the snow that is not melting. I watched the race, somewhat inattentively I admit, but the first quarter was run in 22.1. There was another significant breakdown last week. Unless you really know or have some factual evidence, IMO, it is really important that we keep our facts straight and acknowledge gossip when we see it or use it.[/quote]
Shammy,
I had someone tell me the horse had 2 bows. Everyone knew the horse had 2 bows. This person was looking at this horse to claim. This person would not make this up.
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Ageecee posted:
OK. I am going to assume that your information is fact. I did not check the PP's or how recently this particular horse had raced. I'm also going to assume that the trainer and owner are playing by rules and the horse had healed as it passed through the personal care of the personal barn vet and then through the observation of the state vet.
Once again we are placed in a position of determining if the diabolical intentions of owners and trainers were in play trying to dump a weak or crippled racehorse or the chance that the horse, now healthy, took a bad step unrelated to previous injuries or, for that matter, an undetected cause appeared unbeknownst to anyone.
Shammy,
I had someone tell me the horse had 2 bows. Everyone knew the horse had 2 bows. This person was looking at this horse to claim. This person would not make this up.
OK. I am going to assume that your information is fact. I did not check the PP's or how recently this particular horse had raced. I'm also going to assume that the trainer and owner are playing by rules and the horse had healed as it passed through the personal care of the personal barn vet and then through the observation of the state vet.
Once again we are placed in a position of determining if the diabolical intentions of owners and trainers were in play trying to dump a weak or crippled racehorse or the chance that the horse, now healthy, took a bad step unrelated to previous injuries or, for that matter, an undetected cause appeared unbeknownst to anyone.
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As a trainer in the trenches it is a constant mystery to me that many more horses get through without a scatch considering the track conditions that they are forced to run through and the liberal medication policies that are a disgrace to a noble sport. Winter racing at Penn isn't pretty and the purses available make horses even more vulnerable to abuse from hungry owners and trainers. Generally horses with bowed tendons do not break down in a race they either ease up or pull up sore. It's hard to have a horse break down in a race unless you are unfortunate enough to fall over a stricken horse or crash into one. It requires a lot of disregard to break one down either by choice or blindness on the caregiver's part. I feel bad for the riders and pray that they all made it back safely to the room; ditto for the other horses that were involved. It's a shame that the faller was claimed and the owners have nothing but a $5000 bill to show for it. There were red flags all over the place,a bad business indeed! Oh Shammy to the best of my knowledge there are no pre-race vet checks at Penn these days,there were none in my time there 20 years ago.
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Wilf: Thanks for your thoughts. I was not aware that there are no pre-race checks at PN.
I saw the spill. It was horrific. One can only hope all escaped with their health intact. PA is very cold during the winter anyway and this has been an abnormal winter for the mid-Atlantic. Even w/the temps reaching into the forties today in VA, the ground is so cold and hard that none of the snow cover, now ice, melted. I was working outside during the day in overalls and shirt sleeves, but as soon the sun set, the temperature plummeted. This can't be good for track surface conditions.
I saw the spill. It was horrific. One can only hope all escaped with their health intact. PA is very cold during the winter anyway and this has been an abnormal winter for the mid-Atlantic. Even w/the temps reaching into the forties today in VA, the ground is so cold and hard that none of the snow cover, now ice, melted. I was working outside during the day in overalls and shirt sleeves, but as soon the sun set, the temperature plummeted. This can't be good for track surface conditions.