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Up and Coming New Trainers

Postby Shammy Davis » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:00 pm

I'm so old school. I was watching the MASTERS Golf Tournament last weekend, and I realized that I hardly recognized any names on the leader boards. Most of my favorite players are now playing on the Senior or Champions Tour.

It's getting that way w/horseracing for me also. I recall saying who is Tim Ice and where did he come from?

I'm wondering who are the new and talented trainers who have just gotten their licenses on the East Coast and that I (or we) should be watching out for?

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Postby dublino » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:04 pm

It was great to see Tom Watson and Boom Boom Freddie Couples on the leaderboard.

Tim Ice proved he could do it he won a classic in his first year and then his main owner dumps him, sad.
I think it might be a while before we hear from Tim again....

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Postby UmmYeah » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:54 pm

Chad Brown.

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Postby justinnich » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:54 am

I think Michelle Nihei may fit this category. I have a lot of respect for someone who had the opportunity to serve on the faculty at Johns Hopkins and opted to train instead. She's a former Pletcher assistant and she seems to be doing pretty well on her own as well. Maybe one to watch...can't tell for sure yet.

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Postby endspurt stables » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:25 pm

How about Shannon Ritter the winner of the 2010 Kentucky Derby!!

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Postby AscotStud » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:32 pm

I think Michelle Nihei may fit this category. I have a lot of respect for someone who had the opportunity to serve on the faculty at Johns Hopkins and opted to train instead. She's a former Pletcher assistant and she seems to be doing pretty well on her own as well. Maybe one to watch...can't tell for sure yet.


JMO, but I got a horse from her that she told the owners had a suspensory and should be retired. When she got to my barn in Keeneland the filly had many issues, but has never had a suspensory. Skin disease, shoes cutting into her heels, ulcers...but no suspensory. Getting the papers from her to run the horse for the first time was also a nightmare. I usually don't slam people, but I don't feel bad given what I've seen with this filly & what I went through to get her to her first race.
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Postby bdw0617 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:53 pm

AscotStud wrote:
I think Michelle Nihei may fit this category. I have a lot of respect for someone who had the opportunity to serve on the faculty at Johns Hopkins and opted to train instead. She's a former Pletcher assistant and she seems to be doing pretty well on her own as well. Maybe one to watch...can't tell for sure yet.


JMO, but I got a horse from her that she told the owners had a suspensory and should be retired. When she got to my barn in Keeneland the filly had many issues, but has never had a suspensory. Skin disease, shoes cutting into her heels, ulcers...but no suspensory. Getting the papers from her to run the horse for the first time was also a nightmare. I usually don't slam people, but I don't feel bad given what I've seen with this filly & what I went through to get her to her first race.
she is kinda cute though.
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Postby bdw0617 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:59 pm

5 up and coming trainers i woudl put on my liss

Jamie Ness if you can call him up and coming
Chad Brown
Beattie
Jonathan Nance


not really up and coming but one day people are going to realize ian wilkes could train with the best of him.
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Postby tbrace » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:30 pm

J. Nance is "leading trainer" on wins, but %, the thing that counts if you are an owner, is only around 15% year to year.

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Postby Patuxet » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:54 am

Are there any up and coming trainers who learned their trade assisting Bill Mott or with other trainers accomplished at training turf performers?

What online sites are there where one can find Trainers' stats?

Thanks!
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Postby bdw0617 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:28 pm

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Postby AscotStud » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:46 pm

Personally a trainer that came up through the Lukas, Mott, Pletcher etc... camps should have no excuse for not doing well. The majority of them are handed top class horses right from the start and if they fail they are doing so with some of the best horses in NA, if they do well, they look like geniouses...but with that stock they should do well. I doubt there will be many that did it the Bobby Frankel way any more. The Ness juice has been on fire for more than a couple years, but most of the other trainers (Chad Brown excluded, who has all the West horses) have been handed barns they shouldn't lose with and are not lighting it up.

It's like Matz, everyone says he's such a good horseman and blah blah blah. Someone with his numbers and stock should be able to muster out more than 10% winners and 40 starts through the first 1/4 of the year.
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Postby TJ » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:22 am

Patuxet wrote:Are there any up and coming trainers who learned their trade assisting Bill Mott or with other trainers accomplished at training turf performers?

What online sites are there where one can find Trainers' stats?

Thanks!


Hi P,
Two that I know personally who were assitant's for Billy Mott were Tommy Albertrani and Ralph Nicks.....I knew both when they first showed up at the back gate at Aqueduct, looking to be race riders. They both won races, Ralph won on one of our horses. They both got too big to ride and it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to them:>). TJ

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Postby GenuineRisk » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:10 am

Will Phipps worked as an assistant to Bill Mott for a few years and went out on his own last year. He trains at Saratoga in the summer and Payson Park in the winter. He has some nice horses in the allowence/stakes catagory. In his first year of training he had Dream Rush and Fierce Wind in his stable. Fierce Wind should be coming back later this year at Saratoga. He also trains Mehndi, who beat Tapitsfly in their maiden debut. Mehndi had a prep yesterday for Saratoga races.

Will is patient with his horses, giving them time to develop physically and mentally. He's a very hands on trainer.

Shannon Ritter is another trainer who is finally getting noticed. She was a long-time assistant to Elliot Walden and I had the pleasure of meeting her a few times when they were stabled at Payson. She is also very hands on with her horses and likes to give them time to develop.