Looking to work under trainer CA/NM/KY/ID

[oleos93]

Currently live in ID and would like to relocate to CA, NM or KY for an opportunity to work under a trainer so I can get my licence. BUT if you live in ID and have an opportunity I am open to staying.

Have over 30 years training, show/riding and breeding horses and have started many of my own TB's and QH's for the track.

I have the knowledge to get them fit and conditioned but am not track savvy with terms ect and want to learn that part of the game.

Have small family and many horses to bring so PLEASE be serious on what you can offer. I have alot of my own experience and knowledge I can bring to the table as well.

[louis finochio]

The wages in CA. are not that great, ID, is far better as u can stay in your own residents. If Gary Stevens was still a trainer, he would be your man.

[oleos93]

Do you know anyone in ID?

[louis finochio]

I dont but Gary Stevens does, I will ask him if he knows a good trainer u cant starts under.

[vallygirl927]

CA is too expensive to live in...and you won't make enough money to begin with....It's rough out here...you're better off staying somewhere where it's cheaper to live.

[oleos93]

What are the requirements for getting a licence in ID or NM? I have heard some places you have to be under a trainer for 2 years before they will licence you? Is that true for all states and tracks?

Your right about CA...I love the tracks down there but the cost of living is unreal. I would like to stay in ID but NM is looking good.

Gary Stevens lives in ID? Really...where?

[Tucumcari]

Where is Tom Roberts these days? Doesn't he have a farm in ID?

[TJ]

What are the requirements for getting a licence in ID or NM? I have heard some places you have to be under a trainer for 2 years before they will licence you? Is that true for all states and tracks?

Your right about CA...I love the tracks down there but the cost of living is unreal. I would like to stay in ID but NM is looking good.

Gary Stevens lives in ID? Really...where?

Hi O,
Decide where you are willing to relocate then contact the racing officials (Stewards) in that juristiction as to thier requirements that would allow you to take your trainer's test. In many States along with being licensed in the backstrech for at least 2 years, you will be required to take a written, verbal and practical exam. In some instances, if you come from out of their state they will require referrences from trainers you previously worked for. The New Mexico Racing Commission in Albequerque, would license you to participate in racing, their number is 505-222-0700. But the current racing meeting in that State would be responsible to issue you a trainers test under their rules.
You mentioned you have experience in training of TB's and quarter horses which you sent to the track.....if it was done under a licensed racing juristiction it could be of benefit to you as far as the 2 years experience. If it wasn't it would be of no benefit in speeding up the process.
Although, if the horses you currently have are all race horses owned by you, some States will allow you to take a trainer's test that restricts you to training only horses wholly owned by you. In other words you can't open a public racing stable and train for other owners. Under this scenario, you may possibly be able to circumvent the 2 years experience on the backstretch and recieve your trainers license ASAP. The NM Racing Comm. or the current Racing Meet would have an answer for you regarding that. I would make those phone calls, get these answer's then go from there. TJ

[oleos93]

Thanks TJ. Good information. I really do not want to train for other people right now...maybe some years down the road. I just hate putting out money when I know I can do it myself. I am still a little on the need to know as far as track stuff as I have not spent any real time on the back side.

I was looking up licensing in ID and please correct me if I am wrong, but does it go through the Sheriffs Dept like I read? Very odd.

[TJ]

Thanks TJ. Good information. I really do not want to train for other people right now...maybe some years down the road. I just hate putting out money when I know I can do it myself. I am still a little on the need to know as far as track stuff as I have not spent any real time on the back side.

I was looking up licensing in ID and please correct me if I am wrong, but does it go through the Sheriffs Dept like I read? Very odd.

Hi O,
I've been licensed on the east coast from NY to Florida and I've never had to deal directly with a law enforcement agency. You have to be pretty clean to be licensed for racing. At times, when finger printing is required and they don't have the equipment to do it in their office, they would recommend you go to a local law enforcement agency to be finger printed. You, being a new applicant, would need to be finger printed and they would run a thorough check on your record, so that may be why they would use the sheriffs department. In NY, many years ago, the FBI would run the prints on all applicants, so it's possible in your juristiction they use the Sheriffs Dept.
If you are competent in detecting early signs of possible injury, can feel the way a horse is going when he's under you, have good common sense and know when to call a Vet that's most of the battle. You would need to read the condition book, it covers all the rules and regulations pertaining to racing and the proper administering and withdrawal times necessary when treating horses with drugs....from pre-race to therapeutic. You also need to know the class of a particular drug and the penalties issued for positive tests. You would need to know the names of the regions of the horse, names of ailments, injuries, how to determine a horses fitness and so much more.....which would be why I think you should go to work for someone on the track as a groom or even a hotwalker just to see how a racing barn runs. You will see ailments that you probably haven't seen before. You will get hands on with the way things work and as long as you have good horse sense things will fall into place in short order. The terminology used in racing, reading the condition book, placing your horses where they belong takes some understanding but it isn't that big a deal. TJ

[oleos93]

TJ....here is a link to the web site that lead me to what I was talking about the police holding licence for ID. I had Sheriff in my head but is state police......maybe I am reading into it all wrong? I typed in goggle search for ID licence for racing and this is what came up.

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/race/index.html


On another note was hoping someone could help answer a "bet" I have with a friend. They want to buy a stud that was in racing training and the folks that own him have a dispute on the bill owed to the trainer. Anyway he is still of racing age and my friend wants to maybe keep racing him and then use him for stud. The folks that have him for sale do not have his papers anymore (trainer does) and said all that needs to be done is order a new set through the JC. I always believed if a trainer holds the papers and there is a dispute, the horse involved cannot bred or race until dispute is resolved. Am I wrong?

[TJ]

TJ....here is a link to the web site that lead me to what I was talking about the police holding licence for ID. I had Sheriff in my head but is state police......maybe I am reading into it all wrong? I typed in goggle search for ID licence for racing and this is what came up.

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/race/index.html


On another note was hoping someone could help answer a "bet" I have with a friend. They want to buy a stud that was in racing training and the folks that own him have a dispute on the bill owed to the trainer. Anyway he is still of racing age and my friend wants to maybe keep racing him and then use him for stud. The folks that have him for sale do not have his papers anymore (trainer does) and said all that needs to be done is order a new set through the JC. I always believed if a trainer holds the papers and there is a dispute, the horse involved cannot bred or race until dispute is resolved. Am I wrong?

Hi O,
If that's all they have to do to get the papers, why don't they have the papers? The outstanding bill has to be cleared up with the previous trainer and he in turn will hand the papers over to the delinquent owner. Until the papers are restored, the horse is not allowed to breed or race.....at least not legally as a registered Thoroughbred. I would not get involved with this situation until that is taken care of.
State police would certainly be involved as you recieve your license from the State.....I'll check that link later and get back to you. TJ

[TJ]

[quote="oleos93"]TJ....here is a link to the web site that lead me to what I was talking about the police holding licence for ID. I had Sheriff in my head but is state police......maybe I am reading into it all wrong? I typed in goggle search for ID licence for racing and this is what came up.

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/race/index.html

Hi O,
It seems since the Racing Commission and State Police are both State run they may just share the same office/website. It is the Racing Commission that is responsible for issuing the license, not the State Police They may use the State Police to investigate your application and check your finger prints. TJ

[oleos93]

So I am right in assuming my friend cannot just reorder a set of papers through the JC and call it good? I think you are right, I would not take the chance either. But they owners are adamant that all they need to do is order lost papers and they can race and bred him. I believe they are getting him for free. What do you mean legally? If he has a set of papers is that legally/ Is there someone I can turn him to through the JC that will tell him he cannot race or bred this horse due to an unpaid bill.

Then I got thinking, how man trainers out there are dishonest and maybe just got their panties in a knot and try and ban a horse from racing just because of an everyday dispute over a difference in opinion even?

[TJ]

So I am right in assuming my friend cannot just reorder a set of papers through the JC and call it good? I think you are right, I would not take the chance either. But they owners are adamant that all they need to do is order lost papers and they can race and bred him. I believe they are getting him for free. What do you mean legally? If he has a set of papers is that legally/ Is there someone I can turn him to through the JC that will tell him he cannot race or bred this horse due to an unpaid bill.

Then I got thinking, how man trainers out there are dishonest and maybe just got their panties in a knot and try and ban a horse from racing just because of an everyday dispute over a difference in opinion even?

Hi O,
If I were them I would find out more about what happened. You can replace lost or stolen papers without repercussions....but paper's held in luei of money's owed can be disputed as they specifically ask how the papers were lost or stolen. If you tell a lie you may or may not get away with it...which would of course, be directly influenced by the trainer that is holding the papers and whether he takes action when the horse either runs or is bred. Below is the Jockey Club rules for replacing lost or stolen papers (#6). I also added rule #5 which pertains to horses sold witout papers. In any case, if they want the horse let the current owner try to scam the Jockey Club for a duplicate foal certificate before the sale is made. TJ

5. What does "Sold Without Pedigree" mean?

A Thoroughbred may be sold without the Certificate of Foal Registration. This type of sale arises when an owner wishes to sell a Thoroughbred but for either health or other reasons, does not want the horse to compete in racing or to breed. Thoroughbreds that are sold without pedigree remain listed in the American Stud Book; however, their offspring are not eligible for registration. Please refer to Rule 18 of the Principal Rules and Requirements of the American Stud Book for more information.


6. How can I replace my horse's papers that were lost?

Complete a duplicate certificate form and submit the following to The Jockey Club:

* Four (4) color photographs clearly indicating all identifying markings taken from the front, rear and both sides. If no identifying markings are present, please submit a fifth (5th) photograph of a close-up of the face indicating all cowlicks present


* Bill of sale from owner or other form of proof of ownership.


* Notarized statement from the owner or authorized agent describing in detail how the certificate of foal registration was lost or destroyed.


* Duplicate fee (see Fee Schedule)