Anyone see that Kentucky Derby nominee Siphon City won today going wire to wire on the turf going a 1 1/16 mile in 1:40.28. Claimed off Todd Pletcher this horse seemed to do well on the turf his first time out. This horse was just bought for $500,000 last year. Was this a good claim? This young horse could have some potential racing on grass.
Keith
$500,000 Siphon City claimed for $75,000 and wins.
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reenci wrote:off pletcher.....lets just wait and see how he does next race..
You can certainly claim good/top stock off of Pletcher i.e $500,000 purchase for fire sale price($75,000) and they will do just fine if the wheels are still somewhat in tact. Assmussen claimed Wardleigh off TP for $100,000 a few years back and has run out around $400,000 with him so far.
Siphon City won impressively. What a claim for $75,000
He sure won easily in the Prairie Meadows Cornhusker Breeder's Cup H. Not a bad claim for $75,000
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hi ragsdaj1
The conversation (or conversations) prior to entering a horse for a $75k tag (that was originally purchased by the then current owner for $500k) might be predictable (at least to some extent). Arguably many things were discussed (related to the horse) and clearly a decision was made to run the horse for $75k, for what must have seemed to be good reasons at the time.
The conversation after the race (in which the colt was claimed for $75K) might have included some second guessing, and possibly some rehashing of the decision making process (that led to running him [with the risk of losing him] for a $75k tag)...but the fact that the colt has subsequently gone on to be not only impressive but also victorious (running for and winning significant stakes purses) is another matter completely.
I expect that some owners would say little or nothing (for whatever reason/s) about what's unfolded...others might take the complete opposite approach and all but chastise the trainer. Arguably the spectrum of possible communications...conversations...reactions is endless.
Reality is...this is a very tough and often unforgiving game. I expect that at the time the colt was dropped in for a $75k tag, it seemed justifiable (in the mind of the trainer and/or the owner).
As you are probably aware...many horses have run for a tag (regardless what was paid for them and whether claimed or not)...that went on to accomplish plenty. Wasn't Lava Man claimed before he went on to become a millionaire and star?
And what about Kentucky Derby winner Charismatic ...didn't D Wayne Lucas run him for a $62,500 tag (twice if I recall correctly)? Before you could blink an eye...the colt moved from the claiming ranks to the ranks of classic winner. Fortunately for Lucas and his owners (the Lewises), no one claimed Charismatic.
Arguably any number of things can occur...misevaluations (or whatever) can be made...horses can wake up etc etc etc.
What about the conversation/s that the current owner of the colt is having (with his/her trainer etc). I would guess that he/she is one VERY happy camper.
Respectfully
ragsdaj1 wrote:Can someone speculate on the converstaion between owner and trainer to put a 500K horse in a 75k Claimer?
And then speculate on the conversation between trainer and (former) owner after the race?
The conversation (or conversations) prior to entering a horse for a $75k tag (that was originally purchased by the then current owner for $500k) might be predictable (at least to some extent). Arguably many things were discussed (related to the horse) and clearly a decision was made to run the horse for $75k, for what must have seemed to be good reasons at the time.
The conversation after the race (in which the colt was claimed for $75K) might have included some second guessing, and possibly some rehashing of the decision making process (that led to running him [with the risk of losing him] for a $75k tag)...but the fact that the colt has subsequently gone on to be not only impressive but also victorious (running for and winning significant stakes purses) is another matter completely.
I expect that some owners would say little or nothing (for whatever reason/s) about what's unfolded...others might take the complete opposite approach and all but chastise the trainer. Arguably the spectrum of possible communications...conversations...reactions is endless.
Reality is...this is a very tough and often unforgiving game. I expect that at the time the colt was dropped in for a $75k tag, it seemed justifiable (in the mind of the trainer and/or the owner).
As you are probably aware...many horses have run for a tag (regardless what was paid for them and whether claimed or not)...that went on to accomplish plenty. Wasn't Lava Man claimed before he went on to become a millionaire and star?
And what about Kentucky Derby winner Charismatic ...didn't D Wayne Lucas run him for a $62,500 tag (twice if I recall correctly)? Before you could blink an eye...the colt moved from the claiming ranks to the ranks of classic winner. Fortunately for Lucas and his owners (the Lewises), no one claimed Charismatic.
Arguably any number of things can occur...misevaluations (or whatever) can be made...horses can wake up etc etc etc.
What about the conversation/s that the current owner of the colt is having (with his/her trainer etc). I would guess that he/she is one VERY happy camper.
Respectfully
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Saint Liam was a claimer also(I think)...along with Lava Man...Most owners dont run their horse where it belongs. If you paid a zillion dollars for a horse and it cant beat low level claimers...you either retire the horse or place it at the racing level it belongs...
In this case of Siphon City, it looks like he was not responding to TP training program. It happens to the best of trainers. Just because you place a high dollar horse with TP, it does not mean that horse will run great for Todd. Siphon City has responded to a change in trainers.
In this case of Siphon City, it looks like he was not responding to TP training program. It happens to the best of trainers. Just because you place a high dollar horse with TP, it does not mean that horse will run great for Todd. Siphon City has responded to a change in trainers.