quiessence or cool blue

[jagger]

Does anyone have any thoughts about putting a race horse on either Quiessence or Cool Blue? Magnesium and chromium supplements mainly.

[ratherrapid]

maybe more than you want to know, but take a look:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/m ... magnesium/

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/m ... /chromium/

this brings up again the Q why chromium is omitted from horse supplements.

[jagger]

Thanks you. Does not specifically address it's use in horses though.

[ratherrapid]

magnesium has a significant calming effect. take a human dose pill before bed and sleep significantly deeper and more soundly!

chromium has insulin modulating affect and aids in reducomg blood triglycerides (blood fats produced by excess high glycogen meals). I feed chromium supplements to my horses (and me) before high glycogen meals to prevent diabetes and high triglyceride count. are horses subject to diabetes? I have asked why chromium supplements fail to appear in horse vitamins. this sounds like a good product if given at night and avoided for performance, although, as usual, I question the quality of horse supplements and prefer to use human generics in appropriate doses and pre-cautions to avoid overdose.

[jagger]

Thanks for the response, ratherrapid. I am aware of the effects of both magnesium and chromium. My wife gives them to her dressage horse to calm her down before going in the ring. I think that is appropriate as the physicallity of dressage is not the same as thoroughbred racing. Specifically, I wonder if it has a place in thoroughbred racing. Someone suggested that we give it to our mare who is on the track. She is a Storm Cat granddaughter and displays his "hotness" before a race and some question if it is energy wasted before a race. Sidebar. Everyone attributes this "hotness" to Storm Cat but actually the culprit is his mom, Terlingua. The timing of the medication might be important as you have eluded. I just know what magnesium does to pregnant women who have toxemia....it makes them very lethargic. Admitedly, a large dose. But even a small dose does help one sleep at night as you have rightfully mentioned. I really just don't know the answer.....will it help calm her down and conserve energy or make her lethargic.

[ratherrapid]

nah, jagger. give it a double dose before the dressage ring and one to the wife. this gave me some ideas! magnesium the night before a race for deeper sleep(?). and, think i agree that magnesium would be without detrimental effect during the race--a heart necessary metabolism mineral, that might sooth the nervous horse pre-race(and won't test). interesting!

[bluemoon]

Wonder if this might help a stall walker. We have tried everything, it seems, he is spending all his energy right at home. He is not a nervous horse particularly, just won't stop walking.

[jagger]

bluemoon,

Might be worth a try. My wife said that it has worked very well with her dressage horse who gets a little "hot" before going into the ring and has a little trouble paying attention/concentrating.

[LB]

Thanks for the response, ratherrapid. I am aware of the effects of both magnesium and chromium. My wife gives them to her dressage horse to calm her down before going in the ring. I think that is appropriate as the physicallity of dressage is not the same as thoroughbred racing. Specifically, I wonder if it has a place in thoroughbred racing. Someone suggested that we give it to our mare who is on the track. She is a Storm Cat granddaughter and displays his "hotness" before a race and some question if it is energy wasted before a race. Sidebar. Everyone attributes this "hotness" to Storm Cat but actually the culprit is his mom, Terlingua. The timing of the medication might be important as you have eluded. I just know what magnesium does to pregnant women who have toxemia....it makes them very lethargic. Admitedly, a large dose. But even a small dose does help one sleep at night as you have rightfully mentioned. I really just don't know the answer.....will it help calm her down and conserve energy or make her lethargic.

We had a filly who also got hot before her races. The secret turned out to be finding just the right jockey. Some jockeys--intentionally or not--get their mounts keyed up before a race. Others are able to get them to the gate in a much calmer frame of mind. Once we had the right jockey on her, our filly completely turned around.

As an aside, our filly was not related to Storm Cat. I've never understood why everyone who can find that horse anywhere in a pedigree blames him for everything. Each of our horses have their own personalities--not necessarily related to their ancestors. Ironically, our Storm Cat relatives have been some of our most easy going.