Pletcher says she's off in the saddling area. Velasquez says she's off during the warm-up. They run her anyways and she shows nothing, finishing last and never being asked to run.
What?? Why didn't Velasquez have the vet look over her at the starting gate. Why did he run her? By running her, they were risking her health when she was clearly not right.
Also, am I correct in believing that had she been scratched at the gate, bettors would've been refunded, whereas now they lost an aggregate millions of dollars?
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RuffianT21
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I'm interested in hearing what actually happened. On the ESPN coverage, they were blaming the situation on the attending vet for not seeking out Life At Ten. It seems to me that it is completely Johnny V.'s responsibility to seek out the vet.
I know she was checked by the state vets that morning. Was she checked immediately before the race? Is that even relevant?-- she was clearly not right, regardless of whether the issue was a soundness one.
Twitter has already had 20+ tweets complaining about this, and I'm sure PETA will latch on to this as well. This is not at all good for publicity.
And I'm sure people who had large sums of money on her are going to have something to say about it as well.
I know she was checked by the state vets that morning. Was she checked immediately before the race? Is that even relevant?-- she was clearly not right, regardless of whether the issue was a soundness one.
Twitter has already had 20+ tweets complaining about this, and I'm sure PETA will latch on to this as well. This is not at all good for publicity.
And I'm sure people who had large sums of money on her are going to have something to say about it as well.
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I'm confused. Why do you say it was "obvious" something was wrong? Just because she did not act in her usual way, does not mean she was tying up. What did you see, that I did not? She appeared calm, was not lathered up, bud did appear to not be interested. What was the jockey supposed to report?
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It was 'obvious' given the fact that both her trainer and her jockey stated publicly, prior to the race, that she was acting strange.
Jerry Bailey confirmed before the race that she looked odd-- noting her gait as evidence.
After the race, she was lathered and sweating, despite having never been asked to run.
She clearly was not right, and should not have entered the starting gate.
Jerry Bailey confirmed before the race that she looked odd-- noting her gait as evidence.
After the race, she was lathered and sweating, despite having never been asked to run.
She clearly was not right, and should not have entered the starting gate.
foothillsequine wrote:I'm confused. Why do you say it was "obvious" something was wrong? Just because she did not act in her usual way, does not mean she was tying up. What did you see, that I did not? She appeared calm, was not lathered up, bud did appear to not be interested. What was the jockey supposed to report?
If she was not moving properly underneath him, he would feel it, knowing how she moved when she was 'right'. If she would not willingly move off into her warm up, that is another clue that all was not well.
WTF? She doesn't act right in the paddock and Pletcher still sends her out. I didn't see it on TV, but come on folks, with all the "experience" you have with horses and you send a horse that is not acting right. Nice.
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RuffianT21 wrote:It was 'obvious' given the fact that both her trainer and her jockey stated publicly, prior to the race, that she was acting strange.
Jerry Bailey confirmed before the race that she looked odd-- noting her gait as evidence.
After the race, she was lathered and sweating, despite having never been asked to run.
She clearly was not right, and should not have entered the starting gate.
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If she was not moving properly underneath him, he would feel it, knowing how she moved when she was 'right'. If she would not willingly move off into her warm up, that is another clue that all was not well.
I agree that they all stated she was not right, but honestly, she looked good to me. Mind you, I have not seen this horse prior to today, so forgive me if I am missing something....
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This was an extremely interesting circumstance. Todd sensed she wasn't right in the paddock. The jock sensed the same thing in warm up. She certainly had a dazed look on her face. But she was not off so what is the Vet going to do? Scratch her because she doesn't seem in the mood to run? We are not mind readers.
I remember agonizing whether to work one of mine one morning because he was so lethargic and out of character in his stall. Took his temp and normal so I worked him and of course he fired a bullet. Horses can fool you.
I remember agonizing whether to work one of mine one morning because he was so lethargic and out of character in his stall. Took his temp and normal so I worked him and of course he fired a bullet. Horses can fool you.
foothillsequine wrote:I'm confused. Why do you say it was "obvious" something was wrong? Just because she did not act in her usual way, does not mean she was tying up. What did you see, that I did not? She appeared calm, was not lathered up, bud did appear to not be interested. What was the jockey supposed to report?
She warmed up very choppily and her breathing seemed rough (as heard through JV's mike)and I didn't see her as calm, but uncomfortable and so preferring not to toss her head, paw, prance, etc. It was just my gut feeling that she was ouchy in the muscles, i.e cramping .
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foothillsequine wrote:I'm confused. Why do you say it was "obvious" something was wrong? Just because she did not act in her usual way, does not mean she was tying up. What did you see, that I did not? She appeared calm, was not lathered up, bud did appear to not be interested. What was the jockey supposed to report?
She warmed up very choppily and her breathing seemed rough (as heard through JV's mike)and I didn't see her as calm, but uncomfortable and so preferring not to toss her head, paw, prance, etc. It was just my gut feeling that she was ouchy in the muscles, i.e cramping .
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For bleep's sake, can we please get a state vet who can tell when a horse is tying up? 
If everything that was said on ESPN and has been written here is true, heads should roll. It's my experience that horsemanship in KY is generally superior to anywhere in the US...except in the state vet area. In that regard, they seem to fall right off of the turnip truck.
If everything that was said on ESPN and has been written here is true, heads should roll. It's my experience that horsemanship in KY is generally superior to anywhere in the US...except in the state vet area. In that regard, they seem to fall right off of the turnip truck."When I am on my deathbed, I imagine I will say, 'Thank God I did that'" - Arthur Hancock, on buying back Gato del Sol from Europe after Exceller was killed in a slaughterhouse in Sweden.