Kimberly Mines message from the unending thread.
Now THAT would be a thread worth following...within limits. Only if it didn't devolve into a "hey, this stallion is!" thread.
I'll start with my favourite combination:
Straight shoulder
Long Back
Downhill
Post Legged
Badly trimmed feet
Uncomfortable to the point of being nearly unrideable (if you the rider like your spine), poor hind leg conformation plus downhill plus long back equals back pain for the horse, straight shoulder means very little shock absorption of the forelegs.
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Lets all try to keep this thread civil and keep us all from being hauled off for saying rude things about an assortment of stallions.
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The first major question is how does conformation affect performance.
Good racehorses come in all sizes and shapes. But when you ask horsemen about what they look for in a race horse, most often balance is sited. The horse must be in balance.
My take on this is that the horse must have parts that fit together smoothly and encourage easy motion.
One of the crosses that was tried years ago was combinations of Northern Dancer and Secretariat. Both amazing racehorses. However both were very different physical types.
Don't think this made anyone's list of golden crosses. Anyone out there have a conformation photo of Somethingfabulous? Northern Dancer x Somethingroyal?
What kind of forehand works with what kind of rear end? Does leg length --or bones above and below the knee factor?
What are examples of horses that are balanced? (Let start with horses everyone can say nice things about)
Let the fun begin.
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The first major question is how does conformation affect performance.
Good racehorses come in all sizes and shapes. But when you ask horsemen about what they look for in a race horse, most often balance is sited. The horse must be in balance.
My take on this is that the horse must have parts that fit together smoothly and encourage easy motion.
One of the crosses that was tried years ago was combinations of Northern Dancer and Secretariat. Both amazing racehorses. However both were very different physical types.
Don't think this made anyone's list of golden crosses. Anyone out there have a conformation photo of Somethingfabulous? Northern Dancer x Somethingroyal?
What kind of forehand works with what kind of rear end? Does leg length --or bones above and below the knee factor?
What are examples of horses that are balanced? (Let start with horses everyone can say nice things about)
Let the fun begin.
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I'm rather fond of this guy's kids:
This is a son of his:
Son looks a lot like dad, and also very much like his champion 3/4 brother. Both are slightly downhill, to the point where they won't have futures as dressage horses anytime soon, and son looks like he might toe out slightly behind. Dad is a bit straight behind for my taste, but looks to have passed that along. Both have wonderful shoulders, very good bone, and great feet. How often do you see a horse posed on concrete, so you can see the entire hoof? Yeah.
Some things about the two have genetic roots that are easy to trace--the dapples on both come from Dad's broodmare sire....which comes from that horse's female line. Of less benign impact is the fact that Dad's sire had a vicious temper, and Dad himself is tough. Son is reputed to be a gentleman.
IMO these are both horses with some faults that would require some care in matching mares, but given that they sire high-class runners who can withstand training and a long racing career, nothing that would make me go stop.
All in all, I wouldn't kick one of these out of my barn. I'll definitely keep betting on them.
This is a son of his:
Son looks a lot like dad, and also very much like his champion 3/4 brother. Both are slightly downhill, to the point where they won't have futures as dressage horses anytime soon, and son looks like he might toe out slightly behind. Dad is a bit straight behind for my taste, but looks to have passed that along. Both have wonderful shoulders, very good bone, and great feet. How often do you see a horse posed on concrete, so you can see the entire hoof? Yeah.
Some things about the two have genetic roots that are easy to trace--the dapples on both come from Dad's broodmare sire....which comes from that horse's female line. Of less benign impact is the fact that Dad's sire had a vicious temper, and Dad himself is tough. Son is reputed to be a gentleman.
IMO these are both horses with some faults that would require some care in matching mares, but given that they sire high-class runners who can withstand training and a long racing career, nothing that would make me go stop.
All in all, I wouldn't kick one of these out of my barn. I'll definitely keep betting on them.
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Xfactor: You started this thread, now help keep it going. On page 453 of Louis' thread I posted a brogers article Success Breeds Success. The link is provided.
This might be a stretch and maybe brogers can enlighten us, but I think the article says that only certain lines appear to have affinity and thus success. If he is right then a discussion of inbreeding or other breeding methods might be moot. The reason for this is that end result is a productive racehorse. A productive athletic racehorse might be defined as a TB conformationally correct or near to it. Any other TB is, in business terms for the breeder, wastage.
http://www.mitavite.co.uk/PDF/Nutrition ... LENGTH.pdf
Check the links out.
This might be a stretch and maybe brogers can enlighten us, but I think the article says that only certain lines appear to have affinity and thus success. If he is right then a discussion of inbreeding or other breeding methods might be moot. The reason for this is that end result is a productive racehorse. A productive athletic racehorse might be defined as a TB conformationally correct or near to it. Any other TB is, in business terms for the breeder, wastage.
http://www.mitavite.co.uk/PDF/Nutrition ... LENGTH.pdf
Check the links out.
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There isn't going to be a 2013 Phalaris 
Centennial. The world is going to end on 11/11/2011. 
I read it in the Enquirer. 
That is, unless the Anti- Phalaris emerges before then. 
Holy Bull and Tiznow better get busy!!!! 
Centennial. The world is going to end on 11/11/2011. I read it in the Enquirer. That is, unless the Anti- Phalaris emerges before then. Holy Bull and Tiznow better get busy!!!! -
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Affirmed posted:
Let's focus on the positive. It's important to live one day at time. The Enquirer is a tabloid and we only believe the DRF, TT, and BH.
As there does seem that there are those who believe the end of the world is near, we need to make haste with this thread.
Most recently on the Stallions board (I think) one member posted for opinions on the right stallion for his broodmare. Joltman made a very good point that, looking beyond the nick rating, it was important to evaluate and compare conformations. I, for one, am particularly interested in the methods and theory that is used by some of you to evaluate conformation for potential breedings.
There isn't going to be a 2013 Phalaris Centennial. The world is going to end on 11/11/2011. I read it in the Enquirer. That is, unless the Anti- Phalaris emerges before then. Holy Bull and Tiznow better get busy!!!!
Let's focus on the positive. It's important to live one day at time. The Enquirer is a tabloid and we only believe the DRF, TT, and BH.
As there does seem that there are those who believe the end of the world is near, we need to make haste with this thread.
Most recently on the Stallions board (I think) one member posted for opinions on the right stallion for his broodmare. Joltman made a very good point that, looking beyond the nick rating, it was important to evaluate and compare conformations. I, for one, am particularly interested in the methods and theory that is used by some of you to evaluate conformation for potential breedings.