Just how good of a jockey is Joel Rosario?

[bdw0617]

Takes over from Russell Baze, BAze had the horse as a dead set front runner, did not hit the board int he last race, Joel takes over, takes him dead last, and looks like war chant in the breeders cup mile in the stretch and wins as much the best. Joel is IMHO the best jockey in the country and I don't think it's even close.


BTW the race between bourbon bay and champ was the best race i have seen all year.

[TJ]

Takes over from Russell Baze, BAze had the horse as a dead set front runner, did not hit the board int he last race, Joel takes over, takes him dead last, and looks like war chant in the breeders cup mile in the stretch and wins as much the best. Joel is IMHO the best jockey in the country and I don't think it's even close.


BTW the race between bourbon bay and champ was the best race i have seen all year.

Hi bdw,
I have to agree with you about this kid.....I think they broke the mold after they made him. TJ

[zinn21]

Hard to argue against. He is very very good. I still like GoGo over everyone else. But Joel can ride a variety of horses and can finish with the best of them.

[dublino]

Shocking ride on Fiftyshadesofhay in the black eyed susan.

Just about got up to win, why didnt he just wait for the filly to drop at at the rail and then win easily?

Trying to tug a filly out like that with 1f to go is crazy.

Good to see Bafferts horses in good form, lets go Governor Charlie - Preakness number 6 for Baffert.

[bdw0617]

joel has the best since of timing / pace that i've ever seen. and i've seen a lot of races.

[Joltman]

Very uncharacteristic ride on Orb at a key time. Panic on the backstretch with that move?

jm

[TJ]

Very uncharacteristic ride on Orb at a key time. Panic on the backstretch with that move?

jm

Hi Jolt,
To me it didn't look like Orb had an excuse. I did see a bit of a stutter step out of the gate which really was of no consequence. Joel had him where he needed to be thereafter, he just didn't fire....I doubt it was the riders fault. That was not the same horse who ran in the Derby. When he made his move around the final bend he only had to sustain it to win....which he did in all his prior races. Yet he fell back as quickly as he moved into contention. After losing all that ground, he rallies a second time to finish 4th. He's never quit on a rally before? I just hope he came out of the Preakness in good order. TJ

[bdw0617]

didn't see anything wrong with the ride at all

[Jorge]

He represented his country in the Caribbean International Stakes (Gr-1) and won that race in grand fashion. The honest colt he rode (Sicotico) was coming with a near undefeated record in his country, but since he was coming from a country with a very modest record, many people were not sure if that colt was for real. Sicotico won with Joel Rosario up. He has proven he can win against the best jockeys in the world and in the top-notch elite racetracks. I remember reading that since he was a child he was riding even bareback in his country. That kind of early experience has to be a great advantage for his development.

[FOS]

hi bdw0617...hi TJ

Takes over from Russell Baze, BAze had the horse as a dead set front runner, did not hit the board int he last race, Joel takes over, takes him dead last, and looks like war chant in the breeders cup mile in the stretch and wins as much the best. Joel is IMHO the best jockey in the country and I don't think it's even close.

Ever since you experienced a case of jockey separation syndrome when Baffert replaced Chantal Sutherland (as Game on Dude's rider) with Rafael Bajarano...and you took umbrage with Baffert for doing that, it served as a reminder (to me anyway) that if/when you become a racehorse owner, you may view/perceive things somewhat differently than you do now.

joel has the best since of timing / pace that i've ever seen. and i've seen a lot of races.

With all due respect, what about (for starters) the bonehead ride (Barry Irwin's choice of words) that Rosario delivered on Animal Kingdom in the colt's race prior to this year's Dubai World Cup. Irwin's EXACT words (spoken on camera with audio) as he walked with Graham Motion to the winner's enclosure at Meydan were (and I quote) "Credit to the jock [Rosario]," Irwin said. "As bonehead a ride he gave him last time, he was brilliant today."

Joel Rosario may be the best you've ever seen; oh well...to each his/her own. That said...I don't sense Barry Irwin or Graham Motion, or many (if not most) others for that matter, would describe Joel Rosario as the best they've ever seen. Certainly on that day though...Animal Kingdom with jockey Joel Rosario in the irons...were an impeccable duo, and justly rewarded with the $6million winner's share of the $10mil purse. Bravo to Team Animal Kingdom.

Takes over from Russell Baze, BAze had the horse as a dead set front runner, did not hit the board int he last race, Joel takes over, takes him dead last, and looks like war chant in the breeders cup mile in the stretch and wins as much the best. Joel is IMHO the best jockey in the country and I don't think it's even close.

Hi bdw,
I have to agree with you about this kid.....I think they broke the mold after they made him. TJ

Broke the mold? TJ, your choice of words (to describe Joel Rosario) surprises me. Joel is, and has been, quite the rider for a number of years now, and has made the best of a well earned opportunity...but, broke the mold? How about top young rider in the country, who by the way has in recent weeks/months been riding lights out. Again, remember, it wasn't very long ago that Barry Irwin (Team Valor) described a Rosario performance when Joel was riding Animal Kingdom, as a "bonehead ride"...a ride that very likely cost Animal Kingdom the win.

That said, you know that over a period of years Joel became a very highly regarded rider in SoCal, when few on the east coast even paid attention to his skills/accomplishments. Now he's largely an east coast guy, and has become a media darling. That's fantastic, after all he is a big-time talent...but "broke the mold"? Don't count me in on that one. Maybe some day, but I'll have to see a whole lot more from Joel before I might even consider the possibility of buying into such an accolade.

At this time, maybe language describing Joel as the premier young gun in the country, who by the way has been hot as a firecracker...may sound reasonable (to me anyway)...but "broke the mold"? Isn't that an accolade saved for the likes of Michael Jordan, or maybe (in the world of thoroughbred jockeydom) the likes of say Willie Shoemaker, or maybe Laffit Pincay Jr, or Angel Cordero. But, Joel Rosario? NO...not yet anyway.

Joel's got plenty more to do before I could even imagine him being worthy the accolade..."they broke the mold after making him.".

Regardless...continued success to Joel...

...and, best to ya always.

Respectfully

[TJ]

Hi FOS,
That comment was made when Joel was winning everything in sight more than two years ago...but you're right...it is a high accolade to bestow on a young rider. Yet, he has impressed me with his riding ability then and now (2years later) and I'll reserve it for future reference:>) Currently I believe Joel and Rosie are two of the best riders I've seen come down the pike in a very long time. Of the established colony I'd mention JV, Castellano and Ramon Dominguez (hope he makes a healthy return) to the list and believe these are the best riders we currently have. Of course the George Foreman of jockey's, Gary Stevens and Mike Smith deserve honorable mention's....one for his comeback to the top after seven years away and the other for top class longevity. Regards, TJ

[dublino]

What about Kent Desormoux, (or how ever he spells it) he is one tough son of a gun.

He calls it as he sees it also.

[bdw0617]

Ever since you experienced a case of jockey separation syndrome when Baffert replaced Chantal Sutherland (as Game on Dude's rider) with Rafael Bajarano...and you took umbrage with Baffert for doing that, it served as a reminder (to me anyway) that if/when you become a racehorse owner, you may view/perceive things somewhat differently than you do now.

the mistake in your logic is thinking that I don't understand what it means NOW. I understand that it's a business decision and that as a owner you have to do evrything in your power to win even if it means dropping a jokey who hasn't done anything wrong for another jockey just because you prospective the new jockey to be better


You also are pigeon holing my entire point about that whole ordeal. I never was mad because "he dumped chantel" i thought it was a bad move because Chantel was the only jockey that was able to get G.O.D to be anything other than a need the lead gate to wire horse. she GOT him. she got him to do something that no other jockey, even Bejerano was able to do; win off the pace.

If we are going to have an intelligent discussion about this let's at least get the facts straight. I have no vested interest in chantel nor do I care either way about Bob he's a good trainer and nice enough guy but I still think that particular move was wrong because without Chantel the horse is about as one dimensional as war emblem was. if he doesn't get the lead he's done.

And while he looked spectacular in the Santa Anita handicap this will be his undoing in big time races like the breeders cup classic.

But my point being, I understood that when it happened. but just because I understand it doesn't mean I agree with it. People are allowed to have opinions that aren't yours and they aren't stupid or ill informed for having them.


That just kinda gets under my skin. anytime anyone here says anything that you don't agree with the name calling and undermining starts. I know what Mr. Baffert did. I know whyt hey did it. I just don't agree with it for the reasons above.

[TJ]

What about Kent Desormoux, (or how ever he spells it) he is one tough son of a gun.

He calls it as he sees it also.

Hi Dub,
Kent's been on the skids for a couple years now and lost many of his good clients. He is just now trying to make a comeback at Arlington Park. Hope he does well. TJ
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... ark-jockey

[bdw0617]

damn I haven't even noticed he was gone.

needs to put the bottle down. if he puts the bottle down he's a top 10-15 jockey