very bad spill at santa anita

[bdw0617]

TOKUBETSU took a bad spill after opening up. I have seen alot of breakdowns, that one hurt.

this has to stop

[karenkarenn]

I have been watching the replay every single day and It seems like there is an incident every two days now.
But yet when there was the synthetic material there everyone was hollering to take it out and yet no one is hollering now.
I wanted to check up on Fiesty Suances - was pulled up about two weeks ago.
It's sad.
BDW you were one of the many that wanted the surface to change.......

[karenkarenn]

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/stewards_minutes_sa.htm

From the end of Feb till April 15th
32 are deceased.

And people thought that the synthetics are bad.

[bdw0617]

I have been watching the replay every single day and It seems like there is an incident every two days now.
But yet when there was the synthetic material there everyone was hollering to take it out and yet no one is hollering now.
I wanted to check up on Fiesty Suances - was pulled up about two weeks ago.
It's sad.
BDW you were one of the many that wanted the surface to change.......

NOt that cut and dry

Actually, you would not believe this if I told you, but I am a tricly turf bettor, I rarely play dirt races at all, unless it's a big race. So this reallyy had no effect on me anyway. But from a sport perspective, santa anita had to be made revelant again. No dirt, meant no more breeders cups, it ean not more legit derby horses on the TC trail.

I just wish they would have done it right.

[karenkarenn]

There was an incident four days ago where a truf horse took the turn to fast and he/she slipped/ fell. I dont know if its still recorded on my dvr but....

[bdw0617]

There was an incident four days ago where a truf horse took the turn to fast and he/she slipped/ fell. I dont know if its still recorded on my dvr but....

that's happened 3 times this meet, on the turn coming into the stretch

[TJ]

Actually there are quite a bit more breakdowns on the turf this season at SA. No one wants to see breakdowns....but this is a track that has yet to settle in....hopefully they can work on it and return it to the way it was when they opened.....the first 8 weeks 12 deaths....not all attributed to catastrophic breakdowns. From the corresponding 8 week period when the synthetics first came in, there were 17 deaths. What I found very interesting was 267 shock wave treatments during this time period over the first synthetic track meet as compared to 177 treatments over this season's new dirt track. There is no glaring problem here that would warrant a change.....not yet anyway by these comparison's. Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....Baffert's horse, Tokubetsu showed an unsound work pattern going into his last two starts with final works 12 days and 13 days away from his races.....these two races followed an almost two month layoff. TJ

[Monsun]

TOKUBETSU took a bad spill after opening up. I have seen alot of breakdowns, that one hurt.

this has to stop

Yes, it does - but it'll likely take more than people on forums grumbling about it. Maybe we all need to write to the CHRB and Santa Anita.

[Shammy Davis]

Here's a BH horse article written early last year about the Santa Anita track.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... enance-key

[Sysonby]

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/stewards_minutes_sa.htm

From the end of Feb till April 15th
32 are deceased.

And people thought that the synthetics are bad.

That figure includes horses dying of colic and other causes.

[Sierra]

Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....

Feisty Suances broke down on the DIRT on March 27. Unlike the reported 18 others who died on the dirt during this meet, he fortunately survived.

During the final season on the synthetic Pro-Ride surface (2009-2010 winter/spring meet), there were six fatalities on the main track.

This year, the main track has produced more than three times the number of fatalities: 19, compared to six. This according to a published report on April 15, and adding Tokobetsu today. It has been pure carnage.

[TJ]

Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....

Feisty Suances broke down on the DIRT on March 27. Unlike the reported 18 others who died on the dirt during this meet, he fortunately survived.

During the final season on the synthetic Pro-Ride surface (2009-2010 winter/spring meet), there were six fatalities on the main track.

This year, the main track has produced more than three times the number of fatalities: 19, compared to six. This according to a published report on April 15, and adding Tokobetsu today. It has been pure carnage.

Hi Sierra,
Yes, my error...it was carded for the grass and it was switched to the main track. TJ

[TJ]

Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....

Feisty Suances broke down on the DIRT on March 27. Unlike the reported 18 others who died on the dirt during this meet, he fortunately survived.

During the final season on the synthetic Pro-Ride surface (2009-2010 winter/spring meet), there were six fatalities on the main track.

This year, the main track has produced more than three times the number of fatalities: 19, compared to six. This according to a published report on April 15, and adding Tokobetsu today. It has been pure carnage.

Hi Sierra,
Could you direct us to that report, according to the CHRB records the equine death report totaled 75 horses during the 2009 (43) and 2010 (32) season's. Of course these aren't all catastrophic break downs on the track.....possibly the reason for the discrepency? TJ

[Sierra]

Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....

Feisty Suances broke down on the DIRT on March 27. Unlike the reported 18 others who died on the dirt during this meet, he fortunately survived.

During the final season on the synthetic Pro-Ride surface (2009-2010 winter/spring meet), there were six fatalities on the main track.

This year, the main track has produced more than three times the number of fatalities: 19, compared to six. This according to a published report on April 15, and adding Tokobetsu today. It has been pure carnage.

Hi Sierra,
Could you direct us to that report, according to the CHRB records the equine death report totaled 75 horses during the 2009 (43) and 2010 (32) season's. Of course these aren't all catastrophic break downs on the track.....possibly the reason for the discrepency? TJ

Hi TJ,

The report was from writer Art Wilson, who was actually a very vocal dirt proponent prior to this meet. Here is the link: http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_17851831

However, Steve Andersen of DRF reports today that there were 20 fatalities on the dirt, not 19: http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-all ... -9-percent

He also mentions there were 6 fatalities on the turf course during this meet.

According to the reports, there were 22 deaths on the main track at Santa Anita during the most recent dirt meet in 2006-2007, the final meet before a synthetic surface was installed. Now, four years later, we have creeped back up to 20. So much for learning from past mistakes.

As you'll recall, in 2007 they replaced the old dirt with CushionTrack, which failed, then mixed it with Pro-Ride, then ultimately installed all Pro-Ride, which had excellent safety numbers and played host to two wildly successful and safe (injury-free) Breeders' Cups but failed to drain properly during heavy rainstorms last year and was subsequently ripped out in favor of dirt, with the backing of many trainers and handicappers.

In Steve's DRF article, he does quote a track official as saying the dirt will be renovated now that the meet is over. Santa Anita is going to make a big play to lure the Breeders' Cup in 2012.

[TJ]

Feisty Suances broke down on the turf....

Feisty Suances broke down on the DIRT on March 27. Unlike the reported 18 others who died on the dirt during this meet, he fortunately survived.

During the final season on the synthetic Pro-Ride surface (2009-2010 winter/spring meet), there were six fatalities on the main track.

This year, the main track has produced more than three times the number of fatalities: 19, compared to six. This according to a published report on April 15, and adding Tokobetsu today. It has been pure carnage.

Hi Sierra,
Could you direct us to that report, according to the CHRB records the equine death report totaled 75 horses during the 2009 (43) and 2010 (32) season's. Of course these aren't all catastrophic break downs on the track.....possibly the reason for the discrepency? TJ

Hi TJ,

The report was from writer Art Wilson, who was actually a very vocal dirt proponent prior to this meet. Here is the link: http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_17851831

However, Steve Andersen of DRF reports today that there were 20 fatalities on the dirt, not 19: http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-all ... -9-percent

He also mentions there were 6 fatalities on the turf course during this meet.

According to the reports, there were 22 deaths on the main track at Santa Anita during the most recent dirt meet in 2006-2007, the final meet before a synthetic surface was installed. Now, four years later, we have creeped back up to 20. So much for learning from past mistakes.

As you'll recall, in 2007 they replaced the old dirt with CushionTrack, which failed, then mixed it with Pro-Ride, then ultimately installed all Pro-Ride, which had excellent safety numbers and played host to two wildly successful and safe (injury-free) Breeders' Cups but failed to drain properly during heavy rainstorms last year and was subsequently ripped out in favor of dirt, with the backing of many trainers and handicappers.

In Steve's DRF article, he does quote a track official as saying the dirt will be renovated now that the meet is over. Santa Anita is going to make a big play to lure the Breeders' Cup in 2012.

Hi Sierra,
Thanks for the links. Santa Anita, pretty much whatever surface is down will fall victim to the torrential rains they recieve. A proper dirt course could be the only surface to withstand the weather....but that is yet to be seen. I believe working on the track at this time can possibly give it a better foot hold to hold up and settle in.....before the rains come again. I think the real reason behind going back to the dirt was to get the Breeder's Cup permanently based in SA, which was their plan until the synthetic track kept key American player's from attending the BC, but gave the Euro's a free pass to the BC and a surface their turf horses could run over.....the surface was the only reason it didn't come to pass, now, with a dirt surface installed I believe they will eventual get the BC. Hope fully after the renovations on the dirt track, the course will return to it's earlier statistics.....yet 14 through this season, not counting the turf breakdowns isn't too bad....but none would be ideal:>) TJ