California rule changes

[kimberley mine]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... iming-rule

The bute decision brings California racing rules in line with other jurisdictions.

I have said here before that the change in the claiming rule makes. I haven't seen the exact wording, so I don't know what "ambiguity" folks there are objecting to. I personally don't believe that it will stop trainers from trying to dump a horse--I do believe that moving the time of ownership of a live horse from the minute the gate opens to the minute a horse has its saddle taken off makes more sense, especially given that any purse winnings go to the former owner.

[Marsalon]

My trainer says that the new bute rule will be a detriment. She feels that without bute a horse may begin favoring a minor injury that occurs earlier in the race. This favoring will overstress another area causing a potential catastrophic breakdown.

. . . I guess time will tell who is correct.

[JimP]

Hi Guys,

I don't call any injury that a horse will favor as a minor injury. This is why
we have fatal breakdowns. A minor becomes a major because the horse doesn't feel it. This is just my opinion and just like trains there will be another along in just a minute.

[kimberley mine]

My trainer says that the new bute rule will be a detriment. She feels that without bute a horse may begin favoring a minor injury that occurs earlier in the race. This favoring will overstress another area causing a potential catastrophic breakdown.

. . . I guess time will tell who is correct.

This statement implies that your trainer is giving a pain relieving medication to a horse who is otherwise sound, assuming that it would be enough to keep an injury happening in a race from cascading. By that logic, it would also imply that with bute, the horse wouldn't feel an injury occur, or it would be a low threshold of pain...which could, of course, cascade into a catastrophic injury, since the horse wouldn't start to feel off, and the jock wouldn't know to ease it until too late.

I'm not sure I buy that.

[BenB]

Overhere we race bute free, to protect them horses for further injury.

What Does give the owners and trainers in California the right to abuse horses anyhow?

When horses are having a minor injury they need time of for healing, and not an extra shot of bute.

[valjoe]

Overhere we race bute free, to protect them horses for further injury.

What Does give the owners and trainers in California the right to abuse horses anyhow?

When horses are having a minor injury they need time of for healing, and not an extra shot of bute.

at least we don't eat them after retirement, or maybe that's why you need them drug free over there..

[JimP]

Ouch!! That was rude Valjoe!

[Marsalon]

at least we don't eat them after retirement, or maybe that's why you need them drug free over there..

The perfect retort to an idiot. Thank you.

[BenB]

I do not know, what is the most humane out of these 2 possiblities.

To me it is about the same racing with bute, as driving a car without the breaks.

If a horse gets injured it will be in pain and therefore suffers discomfort thus will not be fit to race and needs treatment from the source of the pain.

With bute only the effect from the pain will be lowered, and the source will be untreat.

In the same barbaric treatments also to be found: pin firing, nerve blocking, and nerve removal by operation.

Iam racing tb,s overhere for some 25 yrs some in parnership, some at my own and I dare to say I know where i am talking about.

[valjoe]

Hi BenB,

Nerve block is a diagnostic tool used by vets to locate lameness, (painless)

surgically nerved horses are not allowed to race, however they are allowed to have a useful life in other equestrian disciplines ,instead of being served for diner(done under full anesthesia and absolutely painless

Pinfiring was used to treat bucked chins and is accompanied with rest, 2 to 6 Months, the pain is not greater than the one horse already has from the injury. Also used in Europe

[BenB]

A couple of months ago there was an article in the bloodhorse, showing an 6 yr old winning a grade 1 , which had had an nerve removed.

Overhere the trainer and owners would have lost their license for the rest of their lifetime. Pin firing overhere is not forbidden only racing with it.

The last one I saw, was just about 25 yrs ago.

Looks to pictures from uncle mo which were clearly showing that he was pin fired.

So do not talk falsely.

[Bast]

surgically nerved horses are not allowed to race, however they are allowed to have a useful life in other equestrian disciplines ,instead of being served for diner(done under full anesthesia and absolutely painless

I thought so, too, but Tizway apparently is nerved AND racing in graded stakes:

"He had a little broken, fractured wingbone. We (digitally) nerved that foot, which was the right thing to do, basically, at the time to get back for the fall."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/63323/tizway-cruises-in-met-mile

[Bast]

A couple of months ago there was an article in the bloodhorse, showing an 6 yr old winning a grade 1 , which had had an nerve removed.

Overhere the trainer and owners would have lost their license for the rest of their lifetime. Pin firing overhere is not forbidden only racing with it.

The last one I saw, was just about 25 yrs ago.

Looks to pictures from uncle mo which were clearly showing that he was pin fired.

So do not talk falsely.

Ben, the horse you are thinking of is referred to in the above post. I am still stunned that this is allowed, and that anyone is willing to share a racetrack with this horse.

[BenB]

Bast, that,s the one I was trying to refer.

Overhere racing should be very harmed with this kind of treatments.

[valjoe]

Ben B
All I said is true, my point was that all those treatment are not barbaric as described by you, and Tizway did not race in California after being nerved as of my knowledge