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Postby wangkw » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:38 pm

Who is the highest producer in terms of the number of progeny ?

I hv gone thru the lists...found Saddler's Wells married 1181 wives who at least had delivered once. This excluded those who had never.

He fathered altogether 2161 children, whether or not they have ever been in training (the actual no must be more than this).

I did this search becos I was all along wondering if Sunday Silence was overloaded. By the definition as above, he had 818 wives
producing 1255 children.

SW spent about 23 years (1985 - 2008) in stud compared with SS's 11 (1991 - 2002). SS 1st foal was out in 1986 and SS's in 1992.

Conclusion was that, if I may so say, relatively SS's life was a lot rugged. SW fathered about 95 children each year...SS was higher at 110.

Is there any other sire near them ?

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Postby madelyn » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:08 am

Storm Cat had 1412 foals..A P Indy had 1109 foals..
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Postby LB » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:40 am

Giant's Causeway who is just 14 years old (and hopefully has many productive years ahead of him) has already sired 1427 foals.
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Postby DDT » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:19 am

Danehill sired 2,406 foals with 355 stakes winners, might be the all time leader in both aspects.

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Postby wangkw » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:32 pm

Sadler's Wells

Live foals 2163 (amended from 2161)
Stud duty 23 years (1985-2008)
Foals per year 94

Sunday Silence

Live foals 1255
Stud duty 11 years (1991-2002)
Foals per year 114

AP Indy

Live foals 1079
Stud duty 18 years (1993-2011)
Foals per year 60

Giant's Causeway

Live foals 1540
Stud duty todate 10 years (2001-2011)
Foals per year 154

Storm Cat

Live foals 1383
Stud duty 20 years (1988-2008)
Foals per year 69

Danehill

Live foals 2355 (amended from 2353)
Stud duty 13 years (1990-2003)
Foals per year 181

Montjeu

Live foals 1109
Stud duty todate 9 years (2002-2011)
Foals per year 123

Galileo

Live foals 1221
Stud duty todate 8 years (2003-2011)
Foals per year 153

Slight difference in foal no must be due to the source used.
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Postby Bast » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:08 pm

There's quantity, and then there is quality.

Which sire is trending towards being the most influential, as opposed to the most prolific (and Louis, this is the proper use of "prolific")?
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Postby wangkw » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:49 pm

In the case of Danehill...181 copies on average per year...and "strike" rate assumed as 1 in 2..he must be taking
supper everyday for 13 years...no wonder he commited suicide. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby wangkw » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:08 pm

Noted longer duty led to lower average..and younger sires foals average are generally higher...albeit not incompatible with human cuycle..but
how long is their prime harvest period ?
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Postby wangkw » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:59 pm

Daylami

Live Foals 490
Stud duty todate 10 years (2001-2011)
Foals per year 49

(1999 Horse Of The World cast the biggest upset todate in studs. Only one progeny earned a little beow US$ 1 m. The rest are all distant away)


Tiznow

Live Foals 701
Stud duty todate 8 years (2003-2011)
Foals per year 88



Mr Prospector

Live Foals 1101
Stud duty 23 years (1976-1999)
Foals per year 48
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Postby wangkw » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:49 pm

Danzig

Live Foals 1050
Stud duty 23 years (1981-2004)
Foals per year 45


Monsun

Live Foals 596
Stud duty todate 14 years (1997-2011)
Foals per year 42
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Postby Linda_d » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:13 am

I think some of those stallions may have started their careers when books tended to be smaller, so their early numbers (prime years) would have been smaller than many younger stallions starting their careers today.

Then, too, as stallions age, their books generally shrink, because of health/fertility concerns. An old stallion that might have covered 75+ mares in his prime might cover 10 or fewer after he turns 22 or so.
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Postby wangkw » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:31 pm

Linda_d wrote:I think some of those stallions may have started their careers when books tended to be smaller, so their early numbers (prime years) would have been smaller than many younger stallions starting their careers today.

Then, too, as stallions age, their books generally shrink, because of health/fertility concerns. An old stallion that might have covered 75+ mares in his prime might cover 10 or fewer after he turns 22 or so.


Out of my curiosity seemingly inspired by your take given...I dig into the ground once again and unearthed these :

Danehill

Foals produced

Yr 1 : 99 (1991)
Yr 2 : 106 (1992)
Yr 3 : 123 (1993)
1st 5 yrs : 613 (1991-1995)
2nd 5 yrs :1074 (1996-2000)
Final 4 yrs : 668 (2001-2004)

Total foals : 2355

Danzig

Foals produced

Yr 1 : 29 (1982)
Yr 2 : 48 (1983)
yr 3 : 46 (1984)
1st 5 yrs : 219 (1982-1986)
2nd 5 yrs : 265 (1987-1991)
3rd 5 yrs : 260 (1992-1996)
4th 5 yrs : 192 (1997-2001)
Final 4 yrs : 114 (2002-2005)

Total foals : 1050

Sadler's Wells

Foals produced

Yr 1 : 49 (1986)
Yr 2 : 45 (1987)
Yr 3 : 52 (1988)
1st 5 yrs : 253 (1986-1990)
2nd 5 yrs : 432 (1991-1995)
3rd 5 yrs : 616 (1996-2000)
4th 5 yrs : 653 (2001-2005)
Final 3 yrs : 209 (2006-2008)

Total foals 2163

Mr Prospector

Foals produced

Yr 1 : 25 (1976)
Yr 2 : 43 (1977)
Yr 3 : 34 (1978)
1st 5 yrs 182 (1976-1980)
2nd 5 yrs : 221 (1981-1985)
3rd 5 yrs : 275 (1986-1990)
4th 5 yrs : 226 (1991-1995)
5th 5 Yrs : 197 (1996-2000)

Total foals 1101
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Postby wangkw » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:38 pm

The fining...a bit of bell shape.....except Danzig...his shape is rather left heavy..:lol:
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Postby Jorge » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:00 pm

Wow, now after reading your postings I wonder if this kind of live coverage prolongs the life of these sires vis-a-vis inventing a strict institutionalized protocol in which a stallion life covers one mare and two more mares can be impreganated from the same infusion, "in-situ"; under one sole watchdog institution. In a certain way it may sound like
A-I but that's not the purpose. Anyway, analizing this issue from a strict cardiological perspective it sounds like a tough requirement for any sire . In the wild this does not occurrs. Remember that not few sires die this way each year.
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Postby wangkw » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:52 am

High Chapparral

Live foals 488
Stud duty todate 6 years (2005-2011)
Foals per year 81

The 2003 Horse Of The World has four progeny which are o/s, namely So You Think, Descarado, Redwoods and Shoot Out...not a very
successful sire in that regard as compared to his contemporary.

The 1st horse which won 2 times BC Turf (2003 deadheat with Johar). I was in Vancouver Hastings course to see the simucasting of this race
and bet him to win...but as it resulted into a deadheat..I got a very small payout and ended the BC Day a small loss, which I nevertheless
felt great and honored. :oops:
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