what is going on in california?

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:15 pm

this is getting out of control.

Look, spare me the "horse people gamble" speach, I get it. I don't even for the most part have a problem with it. if a trainer likes his horse, or tells his connections taht hey, your horse has a very good chance of winning... may be the best man win.

but this.. this right here is a whole nother level of crocked

http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-tra ... ion-papers

the guy alters the the horses eligibility / registration papers, dukes the betting public at a 57 to 1 winner, everyone cashes in, and now the he has to pay a misley 2 thousand dollar fine and a 5 day suspension

to those of you who say that shows like luck show the bad part of our industry. no lol we show the bad parts of our industry. this is.. words can't describe how pissed i'd be if i bet on that race and lost. do you really have to look that far to see why handle is in the toliet? you can't treat your clients liek this and get away with it. you just can't. you are practically laughing at them.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:00 am

Well they had to give back the purse money. I doubt ANYONE is laughing in that camp. All I can say is that trainer is just appallingly dumb. Why on earth would he physically alter the papers like that and not suspect anyone would figure that one out? Since anybody can now just pull up results free in seconds on the internet, and it would show that he was entered as an allowance horse, with no claiming price, it wouldn't be just the stewards who would look at that, it would be the owners of the also-rans too.

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:06 am

Now if I were in the race with him, I'd be PO'd but are you saying gamblers got cheated? Did Aguirre alter the Form? Would it have made a difference in how you handicapped the race if the horse had been entered for the tag in that optional claimer win?

BTW a $57 horse is not 57-1.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFC ... USA&race=7

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:41 am

Sysonby wrote:Now if I were in the race with him, I'd be PO'd but are you saying gamblers got cheated? Did Aguirre alter the Form? Would it have made a difference in how you handicapped the race if the horse had been entered for the tag in that optional claimer win?

BTW a $57 horse is not 57-1.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFC ... USA&race=7

typo

and actually yeah it would have. the conditions of a horse tells you just as much about a trainers intentions if not more at times than Past perofrmances do.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:32 am

$2000 seems like a very lite penalty whether the horse won or not. Premeditated fraud should mean a severe suspension. This is no different than running a "Ringer" in a race, IMO..

The Stewards seem extremely inconsistent at times..

JimP · Postby **JimP** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:05 pm

Cheating is cheating no matter how you want of paint it.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:13 pm

This SHOULD make owners yank their horses away from this fellow; but will it really work out like that?

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:37 pm

if i am not mistaken this is the same connections or at least trainer th was apart of that huge pick 6 not too long ago.

I generally play the socal circuit plus fair grounds, oaklawn to a lesser extent, tampa bay downs, Australia i play a lot, golden gate, emerald downs, and Charles town. that's about 95% of my wagering

my rule of thumb is the lesser the quality of horses the less i depend on the horses actual past races. the lower you get on the pole the more it's pretty much no holds bars, with some of the horses just not being consinstant, and... some.. trainers not being umm... consistent if you want it put it like that.

charles town I pretty much play connections,track biases and board action.

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:12 pm

bdw0617 wrote:if i am not mistaken this is the same connections or at least trainer th was apart of that huge pick 6 not too long ago.

I generally play the socal circuit plus fair grounds, oaklawn to a lesser extent, tampa bay downs, Australia i play a lot, golden gate, emerald downs, and Charles town. that's about 95% of my wagering

my rule of thumb is the lesser the quality of horses the less i depend on the horses actual past races. the lower you get on the pole the more it's pretty much no holds bars, with some of the horses just not being consinstant, and... some.. trainers not being umm... consistent if you want it put it like that.

charles town I pretty much play connections,track biases and board action.

I just thought of the show Luck. lol.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:58 pm

diomed wrote:
bdw0617 wrote:if i am not mistaken this is the same connections or at least trainer th was apart of that huge pick 6 not too long ago.

I generally play the socal circuit plus fair grounds, oaklawn to a lesser extent, tampa bay downs, Australia i play a lot, golden gate, emerald downs, and Charles town. that's about 95% of my wagering

my rule of thumb is the lesser the quality of horses the less i depend on the horses actual past races. the lower you get on the pole the more it's pretty much no holds bars, with some of the horses just not being consinstant, and... some.. trainers not being umm... consistent if you want it put it like that.

charles town I pretty much play connections,track biases and board action.

I just thought of the show Luck. lol.

lol i don't know rather to laugh or to feel bad because the story lines at santa anita park are better than the story lines in a HBO documentary.

oleos93 · Postby **oleos93** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:43 am

How did he get caught if it was over looked then as stated in the article?

Wonder how often that has happened before by others and still has not been noticed?

Not good. Way to many people already have bad things to say about racing and people like this validate it.

Diane · Postby **Diane** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:58 am

Welcome to California. Reading well enough to pass a test to get a license is not the same as reading well enough to understand a condition's book. Add that to cultural practices where lying is widely accepted, punishment is just a temporary embarrassment and you get the jist of what goes on in SoCal. This guy probably made an honest mistake, but rather than admit it forthwith he rationalized how his 30k opt clm really did fit into the conditions he entered. He's got a friend in the steward's office or someone with a key and he devises this plan to cover himself. It's not the mafia it's just people who can't read very well, imho

jellac · Postby **jellac** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:09 pm

I'm with the poster bdw0617 in this punishment being way too lenient - the true 'ultimate' customer of thoroughbred horse racing in an industry wholly dependant upon the parimutal wagering are the bettor(s)....and long have their loyalty/continued patronage been taken for granted, their needs for basic tools and consideration ignored, overlooked or misunderstood and their intelligence insulted. And now....flat out cheated it turns out, while the 'hosting' track issues a punishment that amounts to a 'whatever' and a shrug. I rather imagine that the handle on track on via simulcast/OTB/ADW on that race greatly outweighs any measely $2000 fine and/or the loss of the purse money.