I'll Have Another Sold off to Japan

TJ · Postby TJ » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:04 pm

He's off to Japan to check out the geisha fillies:>) TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/i%E2%80%99ll-ha ... duty-japan

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:46 pm

someone here called this int he stallion sub section a few weeks ago

sulphurfire · Postby **sulphurfire** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:28 pm

I think it was Tappiano

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:29 pm

Are you kidding me? Reddam is a squillionaire and he sends off to Japan the best horse he will likely ever have because the offer was superior to Ky? Unbelievable,beyond belief. Does he have the rights to the first Tempura fillet of the beast if he fails at stud? I am inconsolable and he can go and sit on a chili-pepper!

casallc · Postby **casallc** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:44 pm

wilf wrote:Are you kidding me? Reddam is a squillionaire and he sends off to Japan the best horse he will likely ever have because the offer was superior to Ky? Unbelievable,beyond belief. Does he have the rights to the first Tempura fillet of the beast if he fails at stud? I am inconsolable and he can go and sit on a chili-pepper!

One of the reasons Reddam is a "squillionaire" is because he isn't stupid. People will not breed to an unknown product as a sire when they can get to his sire, a known product, for less or the same money. If the japs eat him, I'm sure they will savor every bite.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:32 pm

casallc wrote:
wilf wrote:Are you kidding me? Reddam is a squillionaire and he sends off to Japan the best horse he will likely ever have because the offer was superior to Ky? Unbelievable,beyond belief. Does he have the rights to the first Tempura fillet of the beast if he fails at stud? I am inconsolable and he can go and sit on a chili-pepper!

One of the reasons Reddam is a "squillionaire" is because he isn't stupid. People will not breed to an unknown product as a sire when they can get to his sire, a known product, for less or the same money. If the japs eat him, I'm sure they will savor every bite.

there is a lot of truth to this. his options were always going to be lmited beucase of who his sire is. the only way that was going to change is if he won the TC

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:48 pm

wilf wrote:Are you kidding me? Reddam is a squillionaire and he sends off to Japan the best horse he will likely ever have because the offer was superior to Ky? Unbelievable,beyond belief. Does he have the rights to the first Tempura fillet of the beast if he fails at stud? I am inconsolable and he can go and sit on a chili-pepper!

For the right price I'd sell my house, my car or pretty much everything I own except for my two cats.

The horse is going to get higher quality mares than he'd get here. The Japanese have been buying up the best mares in the November sales for years now so in a way he'll breed to American based pedigrees. In a way we should be thanking them for understanding what is wrong with how Americans breed these days because they will be the one's left standing when the industry here implodes.

Heidilady · Postby **Heidilady** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:26 pm

bdw0617 wrote: there is a lot of truth to this. his options were always going to be lmited beucase of who his sire is. the only way that was going to change is if he won the TC

Which is a shame. Flower Alley is underrated and new to boot. It's not like he's had 8 or 9 years to show what he can do and come up empty. He was no bum on the track, and he comes from a long line of successful sires of sires with Derbies all over the place. If this is an indication that he's inherited that sire gene so to speak, it's a shame I'll Have Another went abroad. Flower Alley is a relatively young stallion so hopefully we'll have more like IHA. I don't wish him ill, but moderate success at stud rather than Sunday Silence success would be preferable. Just sayin'. Makes it hurt less. I think IHA's female family probably hurt him worse than Flower Alley in a sense. It's strong female families that make the "stallion's pedigree" that they want. To me though, some lines seem potent from a sire perspective. He'd have been less commercial initially, but I think a success that would've earned him that commercial angle eventually. Flower Alley should be getting mares that make for a better stallion's pedigree and if he starts getting credit (and he just got Neck 'n Neck, another graded winner) people will start going 'well he's by Flower Alley, of course he's a stallion prospect...' Right now, they're just being snobby a la Real Quiet and Lawyer Ron who showed flashes of talent at stud despite that attitude that they were more blue collar. May they rest in peace. I really enjoyed both of them, and it's a shame they died young.

The Japanese have been buying members of FA's family for some reason. His dam, his G1 winning daughter, and now his G1 winning son. Guess we should count our blessings that the TC performances of IHA probably make Flower Alley too valuable to Three Chimneys now, esp. after losing Dynaformer. I wonder why, if they were that interested in his family, they didn't buy FA himself. I bet they were interested in him, but Three Chimneys probably wanted to give him a little more time before they entertained offers since he had some buzz on his 2yos. I was so glad Tiznow was a success because he's always been a favorite of mine, and I just figured the Japanese'd snap him up if he hadn't gotten a 2yo champion filly right out of the gate.

Flower Alley will get better mares now, and they even got some in this season at the last minute basically. Starrer went to him back in May. He's got 2yos this year out of mares like Sealy Hill and Indian Vale. I was looking for info on his book quality and found about these mares at least. Case Clay talked about that book situation here (pre-Belmont withdrawal): http://www.paulickreport.com/index.php/ ... case-clay/ I bet we'll get some G1 producers now, though. That's what he needs, esp. for the commercial success at yearling sales.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:27 am

No matter what mares Flower Alley gets it's not going to make horses that look like IHA did as a yearling more attractive to the market. Every son and descendant of Forty Niner has had to prove themselves before ever getting good books of mares and that's because they probably don't have the commercially appealing look.

It will be interesting to see the types of mares that Drosselmeyer got.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:55 am

wilf wrote:

Are you kidding me? Reddam is a squillionaire and he sends off to Japan the best horse he will likely ever have because the offer was superior to Ky? Unbelievable,beyond belief. Does he have the rights to the first Tempura fillet of the beast if he fails at stud? I am inconsolable and he can go and sit on a chili-pepper!

That's how you become a "squillionaire"...

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:03 pm

IHA will never get the quality of mares in the US he will in Japan. Facts are facts and 40+mill will make anyone's decision to sell/not sell very easy.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:29 pm

hi Crystal

Crystal wrote:IHA will never get the quality of mares in the US he will in Japan. Facts are facts and 40+mill will make anyone's decision to sell/not sell very easy.

If facts are facts...may I ask, 40+ mil (you indicated above)...source please?

Best.

Respectfully

Hold Your Peace · Postby **Hold Your Peace** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:34 pm

FOS wrote:hi Crystal

Crystal wrote:IHA will never get the quality of mares in the US he will in Japan. Facts are facts and 40+mill will make anyone's decision to sell/not sell very easy.

If facts are facts...may I ask, 40+ mil (you indicated above)...source please?

Best.

Respectfully

I can assure you that figure was pulled out of someone's ass.

Nowhere close to $40 million.

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:43 pm

Because I know what a few farms in KY offered and according to PR's statements they were no where near what the buyer offered.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:48 pm

hi Hold Your Peace...

Hold Your Peace wrote:
FOS wrote:hi Crystal

Crystal wrote:IHA will never get the quality of mares in the US he will in Japan. Facts are facts and 40+mill will make anyone's decision to sell/not sell very easy.

If facts are facts...may I ask, 40+ mil (you indicated above)...source please?

Best.

Respectfully

I can assure you that figure was pulled out of someone's ass.

Nowhere close to $40 million.

I sense that the vicinity of $10mil cash is likely what it took to get the deal done (to Japan).

Respectfully