Hansen, Get Stormy Retired

TJ · Postby TJ » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:32 pm

Hansen and Get Stormy both announced their retirement today. TJ

Hansen: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... en-retired

Get Stormy: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... my-retired

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:32 pm

I expected Hansen, not Get Stormy, being a NY bred turf horse who can't run long and isn't very fast and all I didn't see the rush to him retired

though he is extremely good looking

I think Hansen will do very well. Fast, precocious, good bloodlines.

ct2346 · Postby **ct2346** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:04 pm

bdw0617 wrote:I expected Hansen, not Get Stormy, being a NY bred turf horse who can't run long and isn't very fast and all I didn't see the rush to him retired

though he is extremely good looking

I think Hansen will do very well. Fast, precocious, good bloodlines.

Not sure I agree with the good bloodlines part. As a matter of fact, neither of them are exciting down below. Sorry to see Tom Bush lose his star.

TJ · Postby TJ » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:12 pm

bdw0617 wrote:I expected Hansen, not Get Stormy, being a NY bred turf horse who can't run long and isn't very fast and all I didn't see the rush to him retired

though he is extremely good looking

I think Hansen will do very well. Fast, precocious, good bloodlines.

Hi bdw,
I think you have that backwards...Hansen only won a single GR I as a 2YO going 1 1/16th miles. Raced 2 seasons and retired at 3 with a bowed tendon.
Get Stormy was a 3 time GR I winner, who seldom took advantage of his NY bred spots....two of those GR I wins were going 1 1/8th miles. He won again going 1 1/8th miles in a GR II. Sprinkle in a few more Grade 2 and 3 races at distances between a mile to a mile and a sixteenth? He campaigned in top company for 5 seasons. Winning at least one graded event every year except his 2YO season. TJ

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:35 pm

I mean this is all schematics.. i know what get stormy is abou8t and i know what hansen is about.

for Get stormy to win a race past a mile he has to have everything just right.. softer pace, somewhat soft compensation, soft ground. he had that happen a few times.. but just in a straight up 9F turf race against say, acclimation, wigmore hall, wise dan he'd get the breaks beat off of him 10 out of 10 times.

On the other hand, hansen's bluegrass, event though he lost, was IMHO the most impressive prep race of any horse int he derby, he took heat the entire way and damn near beat the best polytrack horse in american right now, on polytrack

event though get stormy might have wiggled his way into some 9F black type hansen is at least IMHO no question the better 9F horse

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:36 pm

I mean this is all schematics.. i know what get stormy is abou8t and i know what hansen is about.

for Get stormy to win a race past a mile he has to have everything just right.. softer pace, somewhat soft competition, yielding to soft ground, and he likes the really thick stuff not the pool table stuff at fair grounds or hollywood park. he had that happen a few times.. but just in a straight up 9F turf race against say, acclimation, wigmore hall, wise dan he'd get the breaks beat off of him 10 out of 10 times.

On the other hand, hansen's bluegrass, event though he lost, was IMHO the most impressive prep race of any horse int he derby, he took heat the entire way and damn near beat the best polytrack horse in american right now, on polytrack

event though get stormy might have wiggled his way into some 9F black type hansen is at least IMHO no question the better 9F horse

TJ · Postby TJ » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:58 am

bdw0617 wrote:I mean this is all schematics.. i know what get stormy is abou8t and i know what hansen is about.

for Get stormy to win a race past a mile he has to have everything just right.. softer pace, somewhat soft compensation, soft ground. he had that happen a few times.. but just in a straight up 9F turf race against say, acclimation, wigmore hall, wise dan he'd get the breaks beat off of him 10 out of 10 times.

On the other hand, hansen's bluegrass, event though he lost, was IMHO the most impressive prep race of any horse int he derby, he took heat the entire way and damn near beat the best polytrack horse in american right now, on polytrack

event though get stormy might have wiggled his way into some 9F black type hansen is at least IMHO no question the better 9F horse

Hi bdw,
OK let me get this straight...you're saying Get Stormy "got lucky" winning 3 times going 1 1/8th miles in 2 GR I races and 1 GR II race. Yet, Hansen who won once in a GR I race going 1 1/16th miles as a 2YO, and gets dusted as a 3YO going a mile and a quarter, is a better horse than Get Stormy is going 1 1/8th miles even though he's never won at the 1 1/8th mile distance? I guess you're right, I can't "schematics" my way around that logic. TJ

Linda_d · Postby **Linda_d** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:43 am

ct2346 wrote:
bdw0617 wrote:I expected Hansen, not Get Stormy, being a NY bred turf horse who can't run long and isn't very fast and all I didn't see the rush to him retired

though he is extremely good looking

I think Hansen will do very well. Fast, precocious, good bloodlines.

Not sure I agree with the good bloodlines part. As a matter of fact, neither of them are exciting down below. Sorry to see Tom Bush lose his star.

I agree with ct2346. The "good bloodlines" just aren't there for either horse. There's a serious lack of black type in the mare lines of both these horses.

I think that Hansen is the only black type winner produced by any of the mares in his female family for 5 generations although there have been some winners.

Get Stormy's female family has a couple of modest black type winners under his fourth or fifth dam but nothing except himself closer up. That said, I was impressed that his second dam produced 13 winners from 14 starters and 15 named foals, some of which won some nice amounts.

Personally, I like Get Stormy better than Hansen as a potential stallion. I think that Get Stormy might make a good breed to race sire in a regional market. He's a durable runner who ran in top competition, so he's a solid individual himself, and his female family seems to have produced numerous durable runners, too, if not stakes horses.

TJ · Postby TJ » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:25 am

Hi Linda,
I wasn't talking about who would make a better sire, I was discussing who showed themselves to be a better horse over a distance of ground.
How many sires in today's market have won Graded races in 4 of their 5 season's of racing....if they make it to a second season and won graded stakes, that's a lot.
You hit the nail on the head though....class and durability foremost in Get Stormy. You're probably correct in thinking he'll be a regional stallion, most likely staying in NY where he was foaled. If he moves outside of NY that would be a tribute to what he's accomplished. Concerning who will make a better stallion, I agree, it should be Get Stormy and he should be well backed considering his longevity in racing. I also like his RF to the great race mare Moccasin within his pedigree. TJ

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:47 am

Both on pedigree should be gelded.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:45 pm

Both on pedigree should be gelded.

Think I'll save this post and throw it in your face in four years when the "racing gods" crown one or the other leading freshman sire.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:49 am

zinn21 wrote:
Both on pedigree should be gelded.

Think I'll save this post and throw it in your face in four years when the "racing gods" crown one or the other leading freshman sire.

If either do, I will fly to America and take you out for dinner.

Champagne will be on me to celebrate pigs flying and the title of freshman sire.