Do you agree or disagree with this statement

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:25 am

the only way that a trainer at a major or mid major circuit can be winning at a 40-50% clip is if he is either

1. doping horses

or

2. continuously running horses a level or 2 below their ability level to pad his stats

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:25 am

Disagree. The trainer could just have a very deep stable and be able to train to win, rather than using the races as training exercises.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:35 am

Disagree.

Although not a major circuit, look at Troy Taylor at Hastings Park....he has a very deep stable.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:41 pm

It's possible for a short period perhaps 60-90 days but to win at that rate for any longer on a major circuit would be pretty improbable. It would also depend on how many starts we are talking about.

Shannon · Postby **Shannon** » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Cree wrote:Disagree.

Although not a major circuit, look at Troy Taylor at Hastings Park....he has a very deep stable.

TT has a stable and owners I think ANY trainer at Hastings envies to a degree Thanks the Glenn Todd's financing of really good horses. They've done a lot together.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:51 pm

Disagree- the trainer that I have my filly at has that percentage and he doesn't do any of that. He is just a young trainer that is over looked.

Jane · Postby **Jane** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:41 am

I don't know of any trainer who can win at 40 - 50% consistantly. If someone was to put those kind of numbers up I would be asking questions.

Karen, if your trainer really is winning almost half of all his races then he won't be overlooked for long. Where do you race?

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:32 am

I have a very good trainer in the west. He travels around from track to track , my filly is set to go to him in ten days because she needs to break her maiden and it will be in lower class. She will be put into a lower class race because that is where she should be. Thats why I disagree with the statement because the young trainer that I have for her puts his horses in the appropriate places and at the appropriate times. Not here to brag but there are good young trainers out there that take time out to stop, care for horses and their worried owners...

Jane · Postby **Jane** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:12 am

and this trainer of yours wins 40 to 50% ofthe time? I am amazed at those kind of stats since no trainer I have ever had has even come close to those kind of numbers.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:55 am

Not even going to start. There are good people out there in the Horse Racing industry and thats where I am ending this.

docjocoy · Postby **docjocoy** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:32 am

Jane wrote:and this trainer of yours wins 40 to 50% ofthe time? I am amazed at those kind of stats since no trainer I have ever had has even come close to those kind of numbers.

One of my trainers at Golden Gate fields is currently going at a 40% clip. He doesnt have that stat as a yearly average, but still....
There is an article about him, along with another trainer, in drf, about their stats. I will post it.

My trainer is very agressive in placing his horses where they can win. We have had some heated discussions about the placement of my horses, and he is usually right although it has resulted in an unfortunate claim. He does not do drugs, I have very small vet bills. He is honest and I respect him.

docjocoy · Postby **docjocoy** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:13 am

http://www.drf.com/news/golden-gate-not ... 40-percent

winds · Postby **winds** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:43 am

Disagree, if you know what you're doing and have good horsemanship then I think you could do that. But you have to place your horses where they belong.

winds

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:35 pm

Doc- I have been hearing alot of good things about John Martin and Jedd, if my filly gets better where she can go to GGF in the winter time, I would want either one of them.
Karen

doublete · Postby **doublete** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:56 am

Ding Ding Ding... It is IMPOSSIBLE to win at 40-50% at major tracks if you are not running the best horses at the lowest spots... OR if you are using SOMETHING.

Please take it from an inside point of view. I know you all think you know it, but this issue is pretty obvious when you see a horse consistently running well, get claimed, and jumps up to run a much bigger number.

There is also no claiming rule here in MD, so someone can claim for 25k and drop in fro 7500 if they want. This does make it easy to win races...
But seriously, no amount of "horse care" and being on top of things can make sure you win 50% of the time unless you ENSURE that by dropping or using other methods. You can't control who else is going to drop a horse.
Our 5k claimer races come up as tough as the starters, so the trainers that are consistently winning with horses that all of a sudden jump up....

Its awful.. but its well known.