Paynter Returns

[TJ]

Paynter will return to the races in a NW of 4 Allowance race this Friday at Hollywood Park. TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park- ... urn-friday

[Heidilady]

You'd think Paynter could get a 'I nearly died' weight break, but I guess the 124 was due to some condition he met. Fingers crossed for him. Seattle Slew came back from it and look what he did at 4. C'mon Paynter! Heaven help his competition if he's his old self.

Side note, remember when Bobby Frankel lost his mind because they dared to give Sightseek 124 lbs once? You'd think they'd asked him to strap a plow to the back of her that she'd have to tow around the track while everybody else just ran like normal.

[TJ]

You'd think Paynter could get a 'I nearly died' weight break, but I guess the 124 was due to some condition he met. Fingers crossed for him. Seattle Slew came back from it and look what he did at 4. C'mon Paynter! Heaven help his competition if he's his old self.

Side note, remember when Bobby Frankel lost his mind because they dared to give Sightseek 124 lbs once? You'd think they'd asked him to strap a plow to the back of her that she'd have to tow around the track while everybody else just ran like normal.

Hi Heidi,
Here's the weight allowance conditions of his race, no nearly died weight allowance:>) Hope he comes back well.
Three Year Olds, 119 Lbs.; Older, 124 Lbs. Non-winners of $60,000 in 2012-2013 Allowed 2 Lbs. Non-winners of two races other than Claiming or Starter in 2013 Allowed 4 Lbs. One such race in 2013 Allowed 6 Lbs. Seven Furlongs.
Was that Sightseek or Medaglia D' Oro? I know Bobby pulled MD'O from the Santa Anita Handicap for being weighted 124 lbs. That left Baffert's Congaree the 124 pound highweight in the SA Handicap. Bobby Frankel beat him anyway with Milwaukee Brew carrying 119lbs:>) TJ

[Heidilady]

Hi Heidi,
Here's the weight allowance conditions of his race, no nearly died weight allowance:>) Hope he comes back well.
Three Year Olds, 119 Lbs.; Older, 124 Lbs. Non-winners of $60,000 in 2012-2013 Allowed 2 Lbs. Non-winners of two races other than Claiming or Starter in 2013 Allowed 4 Lbs. One such race in 2013 Allowed 6 Lbs. Seven Furlongs.
Was that Sightseek or Medaglia D' Oro? I know Bobby pulled MD'O from the Santa Anita Handicap for being weighted 124 lbs. That left Baffert's Congaree the 124 pound highweight in the SA Handicap. Bobby Frankel beat him anyway with Milwaukee Brew carrying 119lbs:>) TJ

Thanks, I figured it was something to do with age since there's no way they're holding him responsible for the form he had during that Haskell win nearly a year ago.

Yeah, it was Sightseek. He threatened to pull her from something but didn't from what I remember. Was the Medaglia D'Oro pull reasoning really a smokescreen? Maybe it was similar to the thing Repole pulled with claiming he wouldn't run his horses due to the Lasix policy of the Breeders' Cup. As if Caixa Electronica wasn't in terrible form at that moment (I don't think any of his horses were among the favorites by any stretch). Yeah, it's totally a point of principle, Mike. That or you didn't wanna get embarrassed. If MDO had been ready to go and there wasn't some underlying drama, I don't know that Bobby pulls that. Like Shug ran Point of Entry because the horse was tearing the barn down and had to race. I bet Bobby thought MDO might lose. I'd love to know what notes where out there about his training before. If 3yos can carry 126 and nobody bats an eye at 1 1/4 or 1 1/2, an older horse can do 124. Period.

[bdw0617]

You'd think Paynter could get a 'I nearly died' weight break, but I guess the 124 was due to some condition he met. Fingers crossed for him. Seattle Slew came back from it and look what he did at 4. C'mon Paynter! Heaven help his competition if he's his old self.

Side note, remember when Bobby Frankel lost his mind because they dared to give Sightseek 124 lbs once? You'd think they'd asked him to strap a plow to the back of her that she'd have to tow around the track while everybody else just ran like normal.

i havne't laughed that hard in quite a while at that first sentence

[TJ]

Hi Heidi,
Here's the weight allowance conditions of his race, no nearly died weight allowance:>) Hope he comes back well.
Three Year Olds, 119 Lbs.; Older, 124 Lbs. Non-winners of $60,000 in 2012-2013 Allowed 2 Lbs. Non-winners of two races other than Claiming or Starter in 2013 Allowed 4 Lbs. One such race in 2013 Allowed 6 Lbs. Seven Furlongs.
Was that Sightseek or Medaglia D' Oro? I know Bobby pulled MD'O from the Santa Anita Handicap for being weighted 124 lbs. That left Baffert's Congaree the 124 pound highweight in the SA Handicap. Bobby Frankel beat him anyway with Milwaukee Brew carrying 119lbs:>) TJ

Thanks, I figured it was something to do with age since there's no way they're holding him responsible for the form he had during that Haskell win nearly a year ago.

Yeah, it was Sightseek. He threatened to pull her from something but didn't from what I remember. Was the Medaglia D'Oro pull reasoning really a smokescreen? Maybe it was similar to the thing Repole pulled with claiming he wouldn't run his horses due to the Lasix policy of the Breeders' Cup. As if Caixa Electronica wasn't in terrible form at that moment (I don't think any of his horses were among the favorites by any stretch). Yeah, it's totally a point of principle, Mike. That or you didn't wanna get embarrassed. If MDO had been ready to go and there wasn't some underlying drama, I don't know that Bobby pulls that. Like Shug ran Point of Entry because the horse was tearing the barn down and had to race. I bet Bobby thought MDO might lose. I'd love to know what notes where out there about his training before. If 3yos can carry 126 and nobody bats an eye at 1 1/4 or 1 1/2, an older horse can do 124. Period.

Hi Heidi,
After taking extra ginkgo biloba I seem to remember Frankel (and Sightseek) getting into it at Belmont over weights also, but can't find it on the internet. That also spurred a debate over limiting the highweights in handicap races and is why we no longer see the high imposts of the past. Most handicap races today have a 124 lb highweight limit and instead of adding weight at the top they take it off at the bottom...which in most cases turned out to be impossible for good riders to make the low weight. I did find the one about Medalia D'Oro...he never did enter and went instead to Oaklawn 3 weeks later to win carrying 122 in the Oaklawn Handicap. Scroll all the way down as the article tells the story and with Frankel's handicapping expertise he always considered weight a very important factor in deciding where to run. Not to mention the smaller tracks would weigh these good horses "right" to lure them to their track to run. TJ
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/26 ... sp-horse26

[reenci]

...THE WEIGHT BREAK CRACK WAS great

[bdw0617]

I'm probably going to be wagering on that race i like (another) horse that i am pretty sure will run there

this is a tricky race. i mean, if he's right this race is a wrap. but i mean he almost died.

i think he will def need a race or two to get back to form

[Heidilady]

Thanks guys. I was kind of incredulous about the idea of a horse formerly at death's door being the co-highweight, knew there had to be a reason, but still had to shake my head about it.

[TJ]

Paynter wins it with ease.....watch the replay below. TJ
http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-park- ... eback-ease

[dublino]

By Awesome Again - which he should be renamed to.

A fairytale story for this years Breeders Cup.

What will it be the mile or the classic?

[bdw0617]

def the classic.


story seems freakishly similar to ghostzapper in regards to the talented but brittle / sickly nature of the horse. if hes right there aren't many better.

[Cree]

Brittle and sickly nature?
How are those even connected?
He is more likely a tough-as-nails type of horse, since he survived both colitis and laminitis to come back and win like he did.

[bdw0617]

because neither ran a lot but when they did run, they were very very good.