Was this a good time for a work?

[ZiaLand]

I'm clueless about times/distances/surfaces for works. Can someone tell me if this is a good time (even though, as it was recently pointed out, workout times often mean nothing).

Beacon of Hope
Date: July 25, 2005
Track: KEENELAND
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.03:20 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: All Weather Training
Rank: 1/1


Also, is there somewhere on the net I can go to educate myself about this data?

Thanks,
Laurie

[LSB]

Since we already discussed what constitutes a "good" work, I assume what you're asking is, is that a fast work? Assuming normal track conditions, the answer is no, not particularly. I had a filly at Keeneland for most of the spring and 1:03.2 isn't a fast time for five furlongs on that training track.

As a very general rule of thumb, when a horse works 12 second furlongs, it's going pretty fast. A fast five furlong work would be more in the range of 1:00 to 1:01.

[FOS]

hi ZiaLand

Following are the works today (7/25/2005) at Keeneland

KEENELAND - July 25th, 2005

Distance: Four Furlongs
Breed Type: Thoroughbred
Surface: Dirt
Track: Fast
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Horse Name.................Time.Notes.Rank

GALLOWS (KY)..............47.60 h 2/3
REGAL REPROACH (KY)..48.00 h 3/3
VISIONARY (KY)............47.00 h 1/3

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Distance: Five Furlongs
Breed Type: Thoroughbred
Surface: All Weather Training
Track: Fast
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Horse Name....................Time.Notes.Rank

BEACON OF HOPE (KY) 1:03.20 b 1/1
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Distance: Five Furlongs
Breed Type: Thoroughbred
Surface: Dirt
Track: Fast
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Horse Name...................Time.Notes.Rank

BOOM BABY (KY)...........1:05.60 b 4/4
CANAPE (KY).................1:04.00 b 2/4
GATO PICHON (ARG)......1:04.00 b 2/4
MAY NIGHT (FL)..............1:03.40 b 1/4


Your horse was the only one that breezed (b) on the All Weather Surface...therefore it was the fastest work (1/1). The time appears to be quite good in relation to the 4 horses that worked on the Dirt.

The 3 horses that worked four furlongs on the Dirt did it handily (h) and were moving faster that ALL 5 horses that breezed (b) 5 furlongs whether on All Weather or Dirt.

Hard to gauge it though with so few horses working...and only your horse on the All Weather.

Respectfully

[FOS]

hi ZiaLand

If you click on Equibase then go to the website...

there's plenty of information which you might find useful.

At Equibase...there is a listing (toward the top and left of center) titled Free Information.

Under that listing you will find offered:

Free Information
Get Official entries, results
workouts, track changes and more.

Select WORKOUTS...then click GO...and you can select from a long list of racetracks (and training facilities) the workouts on a specific day.

After selecting the specific Track and Date...you will see the Horses Names (listed alphabetically)...the official Time...a column titled Notes indicating b (breeze) or h (handily)...then a Rank (indicating how a horse worked compared to the others at the same distance on the same surface at that same track on the same day).

Best to you.

Respectfully

[ZiaLand]

Thanks FOS and LSB, for the info.

Laurie.

[Ryeno]

Good time for a half mile work.........First after the break lol.That was a prospective trainers answer on his trainer's test lol.He failed.

Ryeno

[LSB]

Hey Ryeno, that's not a bad answer.

[KAL]

Ryeno... I'm with LSB... I think he should have gotten extra credit for the answer.

I also like a "stock" answer given by a certain West Coast trainer whenever anyone asks what his horse worked, "... about a second slower than Bafferts...".

Zialand, at 1.03 they certainly weren't asking for much. Sounds like just a good little breeze... there certainly isn't much that can be read into it... without seeing it. If they were pushing her pretty good and that was all they got, then I would be massively worried, but I really doubt this is the case.

[Bill from WA]

Hi

Works can be confusing unless you are familiar with a trainers patterns, and what they are trying to accomplish. In that context, the work you are asking about might have been very good. Most any decent horse can record a fast work if pushed. I had an old trainer who worked his own horses, and he weighed around 160 lbs. If you ever saw a 1:02 work, you knew that the horse was fit and ready to fire.

Bill

[ZiaLand]

Thanks everyone for the added info. I'm learning! LOL

Ryeno, good to hear from you. Where ya been hiding? LOL How's Peameal doing?

Laurie