Czech-trained Darsalam won Gr-I-race in Germany

[parlo]

After a G2- (Deutsches St. Leger, 2800 m) and a G3-race (Betty-Barclay-Rennen, 3200 m) Darsalam today won a G1-Race at Cologne (Rheinland-Pokal der Sparkasse KölnBonn, 2400 m, 95.000 € to the winner). He beat Bandari, send over from England, and 5 German-trained horses (Malinas, Nicaron, Simonas, Senex and Expensive Dream, trained by P. Vovcenko) easily by 5 length on very soft ground after making all the running.

An hour later Scyris nearly completed a Czech-day at Cologne when he lead until the one-furlong-marker in a listed sprint-race and finished forth.

Congratulations! First G1-success of a Czech-trained TB?

[saintlyCZ]

parlo: do you believe that I don't know? Depends on what "gr.1" means. Probably first on the west, but our horses - and CZECH-BRED and CZECH-TRAINED - were good sometimes. We had champion in Germany - do you remember who? However, I think she hadn't won gr.1... - and we had champion in Austria. Masis won in Moscow in a race which certainly would have a gr.1 status, although only East European. Maybe Czech steeplechasers won gr.1 in Merano, and what is Sporting Index Chase? It was won by great Peruan. Who knows...

However, it's a WONDERFUL success, although I can't understand it... Beating Bandari!!! Ooops... our Irish boy really shocked me. I heard it was on a very soft ground, maybe that's why he ran so well? I've never seen him on soft ground. And still I can't believe he has the class of Bandari... This year's races here in Czech republic were a nightmare, Ascot Gold Cup said nothing... I'll rather stop thinking about it, I really don't understand.
However, it's great for this boy, although I'm not so much happy - he's isn't Czech-bred, Czech-trained, Czech-owned... his trainer isn't from Czech Republic, I mean. He only trains on Czech racecourse and breaths Czech air... Would you be happy in this situation?

Scyris is "only" Polish-bred, he's both trained and owned by Czech people. And I must say that Darsalam isn't too sympathic horse, in spite of this great boy... Believe me, his fourth place finish makes me much more happy than Darsalam's victory Darsalam is great horse with great groundworks; Scyris is a horse with tons of class, who had to work to be top horse. I love horses like he is, not superstars like Darsalam. In Bratislava I made maybe ten pictures of Scyris; four of them are the best pictures I've ever made, and I treasure those pictures much more than maybe twenty photos of Darsalam.
Simply - I'm glad, naturally, but I ain't crazy about this running machine.

PS - I don't expect much interest, but still - in this gallery there are few photos of Darsalam. Not too good, I wasn't in top form when taking them in the early spring There's also the defeat from Gont, who later ran almost last next time out...
http://www.tbdiamond.cz/gallerymost05.htm

Cheers
sai

[saintlyCZ]

Okay, our steeplechasers are Italian gr.1 winners At least Masini, Duce and Kolorado; I believe Almanzor won gr.1 too. Maybe Registana, Peruan... Naturally, it can't be compared to Darsalam, I know, but gr.1 winners are

[louis finochio]

Darasalam has a white face and forehead like Desert King and Northern Dancer, its a positive as its displayed in Darasalam talent. Congrats for a job well done Darasalam.

[parlo]

I just intended to give a further proof of the international connection of modern TB racing and breeding – so there may be no reason to complain.

M. Johnston (Bandari’s trainer) was also the trainer of the 2yo (Irish-bred) Darsalam who left this stable for 6.500 € because he was said to be a late developing horse, which was not appreciated by this stable and the former owners. Nice deal for the new owners and twice unlucky for Mr. Johnston!

The soft going may have helped Darsalam to win the Cologne race, as Bandari was reported not to like this going. Anyway – it seems to be the best performance so far of an older horse in Germany during this season when the probably best German-trained older horses don’t compete (Shirocco) or prefer shorter distances (Soldier Hollow).

I agree: “Gr. I” and “Gr. I” is not always the same, so the latest Gr.-I-races in Dusseldorf and Cologne may have not attracted top-quality and I didn’t think of NH-Group-racing, where horses with Czech background are doubtless top.

Napajedla-bred filly Redakta (by Dakota) won 4 important handicaps and gained a high handicap-estimation although not winning a group-race in 1985 when she was in training in Germany. As far as I can remember this was the best Czech-horse on the flat in Germany before Darsalam.

[siegy]

I just intended to give a further proof of the international connection of modern TB racing and breeding – so there may be no reason to complain.

M. Johnston (Bandari’s trainer) was also the trainer of the 2yo (Irish-bred) Darsalam who left this stable for 6.500 € because he was said to be a late developing horse, which was not appreciated by this stable and the former owners. Nice deal for the new owners and twice unlucky for Mr. Johnston!

The soft going may have helped Darsalam to win the Cologne race, as Bandari was reported not to like this going. Anyway – it seems to be the best performance so far of an older horse in Germany during this season when the probably best German-trained older horses don’t compete (Shirocco) or prefer shorter distances (Soldier Hollow).

I agree: “Gr. I” and “Gr. I” is not always the same, so the latest Gr.-I-races in Dusseldorf and Cologne may have not attracted top-quality and I didn’t think of NH-Group-racing, where horses with Czech background are doubtless top.

Napajedla-bred filly Redakta (by Dakota) won 4 important handicaps and gained a high handicap-estimation although not winning a group-race in 1985 when she was in training in Germany. As far as I can remember this was the best Czech-horse on the flat in Germany before Darsalam.

hi parlo,
i, run the profile to the female from the past of:
a= darsalam = 4.20 - 0.77
b=banderi =5.00 - 1.00
c=shirocco =1.00 -0.00
d=soldier hollow=0.65 - - 0.42

i, belief it does show who is who!

Regard's Siegy,

[parlo]

Thank You for information, siegy,

but what are You talking about? Excuse me, but I don't know the background of the cyphers given.

[siegy]

Thank You for information, siegy,

but what are You talking about? Excuse me, but I don't know the background of the cyphers given.

hi parlo,
this are just dosage profiles,

di and cd, same as roman, only they are based on female families of the past,

Siegy,

[parlo]

Thanks for Your information, siegy.

The problem with Dosage-cyphers is that they say very few about “class” but only give some indication for aptitudes.

As I said Shirocco (dual G1-winner at 2.400 m, beating Electrocutionist in October at Milan on unfavoured good going when making all the running) and Soldier Hollow (G1-winner at 2.000 m at Munich) didn’t take part in the Cologne race. As Shirocco beat Malinas (3rd in Darsalam’s Cologne race beaten 6 ¼ length) by 6 length in the German Derby on heavier going than now in Cologne there is a good chance that Darsalam might not have won so easily if Shirocco took part in that race.

Nevertheless I agree: G1-races in Germany would benefit from more high-class foreign and home-land competitors. In the moment they are just G2-races compared to G1-races in Britain or France. Btw: that's the reason why Bandari - who can't win a G1 in England - searches G1-success in Germany.

[saintlyCZ]

parlo: you're right, as usual. The best before Darsalam. Thanks for the note she didn't win group race, I really didn't know. I have mounts of materials from that times, but who has to search through it
As far as I remember, we had some other horses trained in Germany - for example Reseda I think... Quite good horses, they were consistently winning if I remember correctly. But they were no stars.
Now I only hope Darsalam won't run in Czech Republic again - I don't want to see another defeat. It would make interesting things with international classification

[parlo]

Today there is a big article on Darsalam and his connection in the „Sport-Welt“ (our „Racing Post“). They plan to run him in the “Grosser Preis von Baden” and later in the “Arc” – so there is little chance for another defeat on Czech racetracks in near future. He has won 3 group-races now and his performance in the Doncaster St. Leger last autumn was also remarkable – give him a chance and hope for further good results for a late-maturing horse. In Cologne he beat horses with IC-ratings around 112 (Malinas) and 119 (Bandari). For a price money in the Arc even a very good horse needs some luck (which German-trained horses seldom had in that race) and probably a 124-rating – but this is not out of the world for Darsalam. And don't forget: even a German-trained horse (who was also bred in Ireland) won the Arc at 1197:10 easily by 3 lengths, beating Allez France and ...

[saintlyCZ]

parlo: star appeal, right?
I wish Darsalam the best, naturally... although I don't like him and I hate the way he's managed into a races. I saw him racing little more than you, and I really don't know what to think.... You mentioned St. Leger. Well. In Czech Republic, Darsalam is only a shadow of horse he was last year! I saw his Derby, his Czech St. Leger. He was absolutely dominating, classes above our horses! Now he has problems to defeat them, better say - he's defeated. I know, Savujev always says it's only a training race, but losing every second race doesn't make really great horse, don't you think? And then, after a defeat from a horse he destroyed last year he goes abroad and destroy Bandari. The world is going crazy...

He is the horse for Arc, no doubt; he has some class and it's worth trying. And he can run very well, if everything goes right for him. But Parlo, for you Darsalam probably is a horse who defeated Bandari impressively, which means great form and class. But for me it's a horse who lost to two very average Czech horses and then outpaced great stayer abroad. I don't count his Gold Cup, it was a useless race for him. So - it simply doesn't give any sense to me, and I don't know even which class of effort I should expect from him. I know what I can expect from almost every horse on "big scene", but I really don't know with Darsalam. So far... I'm really looking forward to his next race and I hope he'll show a kind of performance that is possible to judge somehow.
So far, he showed three classes:
- his three year old debut, where he won nicely, but he was far from his full form. He repeated this form in both races in Czech republic this year!
- his Czech Derby and Czech St. Leger form, where he was simply great. He was lengths better than in his debut. I suppose his St. Leger form in GB was very similar.
- the form he has showed now in Germany, which really doesn't go together with this year's Czech races. And tell me - was it luck? Is he so great? And what do his defeats here mean? It's really poor even for "training races" And I can hardly believe that our average horses are all better than Bandari And also I can't believe that Bandari and Nicaron ran extremely bad, although everything is possible...

However... after Sarava's Belmont and some Breeders' Cup races I started to believe that everything can happen. Now I can say that everything means much more than I thought...

[parlo]

In Cologne Darsalam was a class of his own, he was in front from start to finish and never in any trouble. The question is whom did he beat? Bandari was second although it was reported that he didn’t like the very soft going. So his Cologne form may be quit trustworthy in consideration that he won a G2-race at Ascot last time out. Malinas looked magnificently in the paddock and showed on suitable ground in only his second race of the season that he is on the way back to his best form. Nicaron who won the German Derby in a late run 6 weeks ago on a slightly better going didn’t receive a good ride and did not confirm the promise he gave in the Derby. Nevertheless he was 1 ½ lengths in front of the consistent performer Simonas who showed a form which was weaker than in the three races he had run this year.

The official ratings (IC) of the horses before the race were: Bandari (118), Nicaron (114), Darsalam and Simonas (113), Senex (112 – also failed due to the very soft going) and Malinas (110 after 112 at the end of last season).

You can take Malinas as a yardstick with a performance in the race of 110 IC. On this estimation Simonas performance of the race was 106, Nicaron 108, Bandari 112 and so Darsalam 119. The official handicapper gives Darsalam a 117-IC-rating for his Cologne win. The time of the race was very slow: 2:43,24 min.

As I read in our racing-paper Darsalam’s first defeat this year on a Czech racetrack was to a horse which was later disqualified because of doping. And at the end of July Darsalam gave the winner (by ½ length) 4 kg on a shorter distance (2010 m). I don’t know the Karlsbad (Karlovice?) racetrack, but the tracks where Darsalam showed top-performances were galloping tracks with long straights (Cologne, Dortmund – as well as Doncaster; Baden-Baden is a tricky track but his win there was in a 2-miles-race in weaker company by just a head). So in Cologne Darsalam may have benefited by the slow pace, an excellent ride and track- and going-conditions which were not favoured by his strongest rivals. But that’s racing – and we are looking forward for his probable reappearance at Baden-Baden in the most important and highly contested race in Germany.

[parlo]

A report of the race and to pictures of Darsalam allways in the lead:

http://www.manduro.de/40313.html

[siegy]

parlo: star appeal, right?
I wish Darsalam the best, naturally... although I don't like him and I hate the way he's managed into a races. I saw him racing little more than you, and I really don't know what to think.... You mentioned St. Leger. Well. In Czech Republic, Darsalam is only a shadow of horse he was last year! I saw his Derby, his Czech St. Leger. He was absolutely dominating, classes above our horses! Now he has problems to defeat them, better say - he's defeated. I know, Savujev always says it's only a training race, but losing every second race doesn't make really great horse, don't you think? And then, after a defeat from a horse he destroyed last year he goes abroad and destroy Bandari. The world is going crazy...

He is the horse for Arc, no doubt; he has some class and it's worth trying. And he can run very well, if everything goes right for him. But Parlo, for you Darsalam probably is a horse who defeated Bandari impressively, which means great form and class. But for me it's a horse who lost to two very average Czech horses and then outpaced great stayer abroad. I don't count his Gold Cup, it was a useless race for him. So - it simply doesn't give any sense to me, and I don't know even which class of effort I should expect from him. I know what I can expect from almost every horse on "big scene", but I really don't know with Darsalam. So far... I'm really looking forward to his next race and I hope he'll show a kind of performance that is possible to judge somehow.
So far, he showed three classes:
- his three year old debut, where he won nicely, but he was far from his full form. He repeated this form in both races in Czech republic this year!
- his Czech Derby and Czech St. Leger form, where he was simply great. He was lengths better than in his debut. I suppose his St. Leger form in GB was very similar.
- the form he has showed now in Germany, which really doesn't go together with this year's Czech races. And tell me - was it luck? Is he so great? And what do his defeats here mean? It's really poor even for "training races" And I can hardly believe that our average horses are all better than Bandari And also I can't believe that Bandari and Nicaron ran extremely bad, although everything is possible...

However... after Sarava's Belmont and some Breeders' Cup races I started to believe that everything can happen. Now I can say that everything means much more than I thought...

hi saint,
not a strech of the imagination,
but solid credendials that won the belmont,
profile = 0-0-2-3-1, showing definite dominat classic influence backed by solid and prof, points.
Regard's Siegy,