Silver Train upsets

Heidilady · Postby **Heidilady** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:04 pm

GRRRR Lost in the Fog didn't make it..don't even get me started on the excuses right now but I got so annoyed with the ESPN board going off on his class and his heart. You know even in defeat he had more class and heart than any horse in that race...as if Silver Train had more class than Foggy..I think not. His closest past race was at Belmont and I have to think he's not thrilled with this track. I bet next year he schools em all.

Silver Train got called for an objection but survives with Taste of Paradise 2nd and Lion Tamer 3rd.

The query decided to lock up the site so it took me awhile to get to this. Still gotta do the Mile...poor Funfair. Possibly to be euthanized.

monicabee · Postby **monicabee** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:18 pm

Lost in the Fog looked like he just stopped. Maybe there was bleeding, or maybe he just started his run too soon. He had never run at Belmont before, and a six furlong race can play a little differently there.

StrawberryFelidos · Postby **StrawberryFelidos** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:29 pm

I think he ran at Belmont in the "Foggy vs Egg Head" race, he did good there, nothing like this...
It looks to me like something went wrong (and when you've got a horse as consistent as him, you know that something's not right to cause a performance like that). It looked like he went into park and then started drifting sharply to the outside rail (could be seen when they replayed Wildcat Heir's stumble, Foggy making more of a sideways trajectory than a straight one). Something no good. I believe we'll hear more about that in the not too distant future...

austique · Postby **austique** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:35 pm

I think the horse was just flat tired. He's traveled a lot and it looked like it just caught up to him. Even good horses can throw crap races and he did, pure and simple. He did appear to not run well in the Riva Ridge and he may just flat not like the track configuration or the surface. All in all he just didn't show up. He's a very good horse who had a very bad day.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:48 pm

In the last furlong LIF was getting tired as you could see his front legs were not striding normal, they were shortening stride.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:51 pm

Is Silver Train by Silver Ghost or Silver Charm? Those announcers didnt give that info.

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:01 pm

louis finochio wrote:Is Silver Train by Silver Ghost or Silver Charm? Those announcers didnt give that info.

Neither, he's an Old Trieste out of a Cormorant.

And thank you for segueing into my biggest bitch about NBC's coverage.

It's called the BREEDERS' Cup ... how about telling us the BREEDING of the damn horses!

NBC is crap and I can't wait until they lose the rights to ALL horse racing coverage. And I won't miss Cantey one bit. She was good back in her day, but her day is long past.

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:35 am

Yes, he got tired, but I suspect his owners want to kick the jockey.

As soon as I saw him make a big move coming about that turn, I knew he was done. There's a reason that a push about that turn into the stretch is called the "kiss of death" move--ask Society Selection about her last race. Oh well, we have a lot to look forward to for next year. And I still think he deserves champ sprinter votes.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:56 am

hi kimberly mine...hello guys

Kimberley mine, you wrote "Yes, he got tired, but I suspect his owners want to kick the jockey. As soon as I saw him make a big move coming about that turn, I knew he was done."

Why kick the jockey? It was not going to be Lost In The Fog's day no matter who rode him. For whatever reason, it was clear he was EMPTY with an eighth of a mile to go.

I was first concerned about his chances when I saw the effort he made (right after the break), attempting to get up to the leaders in the first quarter.

Although he was running his eyeballs out while maintaining a slim lead during the middle part of the race...he clearly finished like a Very tired horse. Maybe he bled, but to my knowledge no one, including his trainer, has indicated that.

Seems to me he needs a break...a serious break. Not only has he raced plenty...but he's piled up many thousands of frequent flier miles. All that traveling must have taken a toll also.

I hope he comes back 100%, and with maturity, maybe even better than ever. He's a brilliant sprinter...but based on Team Fog's BC experience 2005...I expect that Lost In The Fog might be managed differently next year.

Respectfully

austique · Postby **austique** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:05 am

Lost in the Fog is going to get a 60-90 day vacation in Florida. Gilchrist simply felt the horse was tired and the traveling finally got to him. They are overed no excuses and were as classy in defeat as they had been in victory.

StrawberryFelidos · Postby **StrawberryFelidos** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:35 am

As soon as I saw him make a big move coming about that turn, I knew he was done. There's a reason that a push about that turn into the stretch is called the "kiss of death"

Heh heh, I can definately say that's true for the Belmont Stakes, at least- when I saw Funny Cide and Giacomo take the lead early I knew they were in deep poopie

and when Smarty Jones took the lead even BEFORE the turn, well... that was just...not gonna happen there. I wonder why jockeys feel compelled to take their horses to the front that early in the Belmont when, from what I've seen, it generally doesn't work out too well. Alex's ride, now that was kickass strategy.

Back to the sprint, I still find that finish confusing as hell. It looked like Foggy's normal race up until he couldn't shake Attilla's Storm, looked like he had no extra gear, then what he did have stalled :shock:

Definately not what I expected from him in even my wilder dreams- on a bad day I could imagine him finishing second, third, maybe even fourth- but seventh? For a horse with that record and that talent? He didn't look like even a fraction of the animal he was earlier this month.
Mmph. Weird. I still think there's more to this story that will come to us in time.

roving boy · Postby **roving boy** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:12 am

Fog had a bad day - did not bleed, flip his palate or entrap. When Baze knew he was not going to win he just took him home safely; the owner is very pleased with Baze.

Fog did not settle in the detention barn; had to be lip-chained to put the rundowns on. Then in the paddock he half reared twice when they were trying to put the overgirth on. Very uncharacteristic actions for a horse with one of the best minds I have ever been around. It just was not his day and he did not run his race. Congrats to Silver Train.

The vacation was already planned and hopefully he will be even better next year. He certainly will not run as many times and probably will travel less.

I still believe he should be Champion Sprinter.

Playwithfire · Postby **Playwithfire** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:11 pm

I agree that he wasn't going to win the race no matter when he moved. Usually when he moves to the front, he generally continues his pace to the finish. He just didn't have the energy on Saturday. Maybe it was the travel, but Gilchrist said he was nervous all day, and perhaps he expended more energy before the race then normal. He's gonna get 2-3 months off at the farm and continue to race next year. I'm interested to see if he'll continue to sprint, or try to stretch out. Perhaps the fact that he has been gassed in a couple of occasions, he'll stay sprinting. I look forward to seeing his return.

Heidilady · Postby **Heidilady** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:20 pm

StrawberryFelidos wrote:Heh heh, I can definately say that's true for the Belmont Stakes, at least- when I saw Funny Cide and Giacomo take the lead early I knew they were in deep poopie and when Smarty Jones took the lead even BEFORE the turn, well... that was just...not gonna happen there. I wonder why jockeys feel compelled to take their horses to the front that early in the Belmont when, from what I've seen, it generally doesn't work out too well. Alex's ride, now that was kickass strategy.

You know why they do that? Why Smarty did that? One word..Secretariat... They all get delusions of grandeur and wanna see them and their horse oogled as making this authoritative gesture and round the turn and down the stretch with an ever increasing lead. Sadly they ain't ridin' Secretariat and someone needed to clue the jockey in.

roving boy wrote:Fog did not settle in the detention barn; had to be lip-chained to put the rundowns on. Then in the paddock he half reared twice when they were trying to put the overgirth on. Very uncharacteristic actions for a horse with one of the best minds I have ever been around. It just was not his day and he did not run his race. Congrats to Silver Train.

Clearly the horse was upset after the detention barn. We've seen other horses get wound up and throw a race into the crapper which I think matters but yeah I think Belmont races being more of an effort for him coupled with trip #7 and the detention barn got him really fidgety. Thing is, I really think facing this same field earlier, he'd have beaten them but nope, they had to go with weaker stuff and it messed up the gauge of how things are going during the race. Well in any case get this, rumor has it he's looking to stretch out next year---two turns perhaps...This could be fun. Maybe he and Afleet Alex could hookup. I think we all know who to give the edge to going long but this really might be neat.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:37 pm

Actually, Silver Train was my pick but sentimentally I was rooting for "Foggy". I just thought the Train was really moving along well and finally ready....