Question about NY Bred Program
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Question about NY Bred Program
I purchased a registered NY-bred yearling filly last October at Fasig-Tipton. This past week the breeding farm she came from forwarded to me a New York Stallion Stake Series nomination for for the filly (it costs $250). Is this required to maintain her NY-bred status, or is it just for the NY Stallion Stake? I only have until March 1st to get this in if I decide to do it... does it reward me in any way as the owner, or does it reward ONLY the breeder (in which case I think the breeder should pay for it)?
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Dear Madelyn, I would respectfully imagine that the nomination would keep you , as an owner, still eligible for the series. The breeders status really is not your concern ,you either think that the horse might be worth the investment or no. I hope its a champ and all of us on the board can enjoy your success this year!
Her NY-bred status is not at risk. The current fee request is just for the racing series described. If the horse is not fully subscribed, it can't run in the race, and the owner can't benefit. Check out the schedule of races in the NY Stallion Stakes Series, and if you believe the horse will be suitable in maturity and ability, keep up the eligibility until proven otherwise.
Rocking H
The NY bred division has gotten considerably more competitive in the last couple of years, but the Stallion series excludes some of the more ambitiously bred horses by Kentucky sires that your NY bred has to compete with in other restricted stakes. Additionally, since the stallion has to be nominated and eligibility has to be kept current, that eliminates some other contenders. The horses that run in this series are still in at least the top 25 percent, typically capable of winning at least an open allowance, not just their statebred races. The purses for the stallion series races are from $75K to $150K, substantially better than than an open company allowance purse. I think 4 of the 5 races are for three year-olds.
So in the sense that the nomination keeps her eligible for this lucrative and restricted series, the nomination benefits you as well as the breeder. If they own the stallion, they pay every year to keep his progeny eligible, as well as a substantial amount, I think, last year. I can understand why they would remind you about her eligibility!
If you like her at all as a race prospect and are planning to run her in NY, I'd think this was worth it.
So in the sense that the nomination keeps her eligible for this lucrative and restricted series, the nomination benefits you as well as the breeder. If they own the stallion, they pay every year to keep his progeny eligible, as well as a substantial amount, I think, last year. I can understand why they would remind you about her eligibility!
If you like her at all as a race prospect and are planning to run her in NY, I'd think this was worth it.
Hi Madelyn,
There are specific rules of eligibility to register as a NY bred but once registered they maintain that registration for life. They'll be eligible for most (if not all) maiden, allowance and claiming races restricted to NY breds as well as most stakes races with the same restrictions.
There are 2 categories of stakes races that your foal may not be eligible for.
1 - Sire stakes. Your foal must be by a stallion that stood in NY in the year that they were conceived to be eligible.
2 - Pre-nominated stakes, such as the NY Stallion series where a series of payments must be made to maintain eligibility. In years past these races often boiled down to the few remaining horses that kept their eligibility current, but as Monicabee mentions, they are no longer glorified maiden races.
The breeder can benefit from any purse monies won at NYRA tracks (including the Finger Lakes) up to $10,000 per race thus a stakes win or placing would be lucrative to them. I'd imagine that they're aware of where the foal is (since they contacted you) and probably don't expect the foal to race in NY, thus a stakes race that might draw you to NY to race would benefit them.
In this case, the Stallion Series, if your foal won or placed in any of the races they would win purse money and earn black-type (I believe all NY State-Bred races are black-type eligible). The Breeder would earn an award of 10% - 20% of the purse earned (finishing 1-4).
From your perspective, as well as any owner that purchases a registered NY bred, you have restricted maiden, allowance and claiming (run less often) races. If your horse finishes 1-4th in open company, you, as owner, earn either 10% (for non-NY stallions) or 20% (for NY stallion) owners awards. The breeder earns the same award - even in the restricted races.
The REAL advantage to the owner of any NY bred (over most) is that they have 2 sets of conditions. State-Bred Maidens and Allowances (1X and 2X) are run in abundance and AFTER your horse wins these conditions, they can start over in 1X allowances! Other programs have this rule, but far too few state-bred races to make it practical as a strategy. Additionally, a stakes win in restricted company usually doesn't cost the owner an allowance condition.
It's very common to see NY Breds that have won their state bred conditions (before open company) with earnings of $150k or more. Depending on where the stallion was standing in the year of conception, the breeders’ awards would be @$15,000 to @$30,000 on a horse that never won in open company.
Hope this helps,
Pete
There are specific rules of eligibility to register as a NY bred but once registered they maintain that registration for life. They'll be eligible for most (if not all) maiden, allowance and claiming races restricted to NY breds as well as most stakes races with the same restrictions.
There are 2 categories of stakes races that your foal may not be eligible for.
1 - Sire stakes. Your foal must be by a stallion that stood in NY in the year that they were conceived to be eligible.
2 - Pre-nominated stakes, such as the NY Stallion series where a series of payments must be made to maintain eligibility. In years past these races often boiled down to the few remaining horses that kept their eligibility current, but as Monicabee mentions, they are no longer glorified maiden races.
The breeder can benefit from any purse monies won at NYRA tracks (including the Finger Lakes) up to $10,000 per race thus a stakes win or placing would be lucrative to them. I'd imagine that they're aware of where the foal is (since they contacted you) and probably don't expect the foal to race in NY, thus a stakes race that might draw you to NY to race would benefit them.
In this case, the Stallion Series, if your foal won or placed in any of the races they would win purse money and earn black-type (I believe all NY State-Bred races are black-type eligible). The Breeder would earn an award of 10% - 20% of the purse earned (finishing 1-4).
From your perspective, as well as any owner that purchases a registered NY bred, you have restricted maiden, allowance and claiming (run less often) races. If your horse finishes 1-4th in open company, you, as owner, earn either 10% (for non-NY stallions) or 20% (for NY stallion) owners awards. The breeder earns the same award - even in the restricted races.
The REAL advantage to the owner of any NY bred (over most) is that they have 2 sets of conditions. State-Bred Maidens and Allowances (1X and 2X) are run in abundance and AFTER your horse wins these conditions, they can start over in 1X allowances! Other programs have this rule, but far too few state-bred races to make it practical as a strategy. Additionally, a stakes win in restricted company usually doesn't cost the owner an allowance condition.
It's very common to see NY Breds that have won their state bred conditions (before open company) with earnings of $150k or more. Depending on where the stallion was standing in the year of conception, the breeders’ awards would be @$15,000 to @$30,000 on a horse that never won in open company.
Hope this helps,
Pete
Has a palomino jean that pop up some.
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
Hi Madelyn,
There are specific rules of eligibility to register as a NY bred but once registered they maintain that registration for life. They'll be eligible for most (if not all) maiden, allowance and claiming races restricted to NY breds as well as most stakes races with the same restrictions.
There are 2 categories of stakes races that your foal may not be eligible for.
1 - Sire stakes. Your foal must be by a stallion that stood in NY in the year that they were conceived to be eligible.
2 - Pre-nominated stakes, such as the NY Stallion series where a series of payments must be made to maintain eligibility. In years past these races often boiled down to the few remaining horses that kept their eligibility current, but as Monicabee mentions, they are no longer glorified maiden races.
The breeder can benefit from any purse monies won at NYRA tracks (including the Finger Lakes) up to $10,000 per race thus a stakes win or placing would be lucrative to them. I'd imagine that they're aware of where the foal is (since they contacted you) and probably don't expect the foal to race in NY, thus a stakes race that might draw you to NY to race would benefit them.
In this case, the Stallion Series, if your foal won or placed in any of the races they would win purse money and earn black-type (I believe all NY State-Bred races are black-type eligible). The Breeder would earn an award of 10% - 20% of the purse earned (finishing 1-4).
From your perspective, as well as any owner that purchases a registered NY bred, you have restricted maiden, allowance and claiming (run less often) races. If your horse finishes 1-4th in open company, you, as owner, earn either 10% (for non-NY stallions) or 20% (for NY stallion) owners awards. The breeder earns the same award - even in the restricted races.
The REAL advantage to the owner of any NY bred (over most) is that they have 2 sets of conditions. State-Bred Maidens and Allowances (1X and 2X) are run in abundance and AFTER your horse wins these conditions, they can start over in 1X allowances! Other programs have this rule, but far too few state-bred races to make it practical as a strategy. Additionally, a stakes win in restricted company usually doesn't cost the owner an allowance condition.
It's very common to see NY Breds that have won their state bred conditions (before open company) with earnings of $150k or more. Depending on where the stallion was standing in the year of conception, the breeders’ awards would be @$15,000 to @$30,000 on a horse that never won in open company.
Hope this helps,
Pete
There are specific rules of eligibility to register as a NY bred but once registered they maintain that registration for life. They'll be eligible for most (if not all) maiden, allowance and claiming races restricted to NY breds as well as most stakes races with the same restrictions.
There are 2 categories of stakes races that your foal may not be eligible for.
1 - Sire stakes. Your foal must be by a stallion that stood in NY in the year that they were conceived to be eligible.
2 - Pre-nominated stakes, such as the NY Stallion series where a series of payments must be made to maintain eligibility. In years past these races often boiled down to the few remaining horses that kept their eligibility current, but as Monicabee mentions, they are no longer glorified maiden races.
The breeder can benefit from any purse monies won at NYRA tracks (including the Finger Lakes) up to $10,000 per race thus a stakes win or placing would be lucrative to them. I'd imagine that they're aware of where the foal is (since they contacted you) and probably don't expect the foal to race in NY, thus a stakes race that might draw you to NY to race would benefit them.
In this case, the Stallion Series, if your foal won or placed in any of the races they would win purse money and earn black-type (I believe all NY State-Bred races are black-type eligible). The Breeder would earn an award of 10% - 20% of the purse earned (finishing 1-4).
From your perspective, as well as any owner that purchases a registered NY bred, you have restricted maiden, allowance and claiming (run less often) races. If your horse finishes 1-4th in open company, you, as owner, earn either 10% (for non-NY stallions) or 20% (for NY stallion) owners awards. The breeder earns the same award - even in the restricted races.
The REAL advantage to the owner of any NY bred (over most) is that they have 2 sets of conditions. State-Bred Maidens and Allowances (1X and 2X) are run in abundance and AFTER your horse wins these conditions, they can start over in 1X allowances! Other programs have this rule, but far too few state-bred races to make it practical as a strategy. Additionally, a stakes win in restricted company usually doesn't cost the owner an allowance condition.
It's very common to see NY Breds that have won their state bred conditions (before open company) with earnings of $150k or more. Depending on where the stallion was standing in the year of conception, the breeders’ awards would be @$15,000 to @$30,000 on a horse that never won in open company.
Hope this helps,
Pete
Has a palomino jean that pop up some.
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms