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found this surfing the web. Thought turf enthusiasts might find it interesting.
Race No. 6 -- The Century Dream Turf (1 1/2M)
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Whirlaway
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Wonderful link and most entertaining. And this link proved to be a most interesting history lesson learning some of the names of some of the greats from the past. Oh, to have been there in good ol' days ...
Turf: I thought Nijinsky II who was the last horse to win the English Triple Crown and who won the St. Ledger Sakes at 14 furlongs and 127 yards cannot be denied in the top three.
Mile: Pretty Polly
Distaff: Can't see how they beat Twilight Tear
Juvenile: Whirlaway (interesting how he had him drifting towards the fence!)
Turf: I thought Nijinsky II who was the last horse to win the English Triple Crown and who won the St. Ledger Sakes at 14 furlongs and 127 yards cannot be denied in the top three.
Mile: Pretty Polly
Distaff: Can't see how they beat Twilight Tear
Juvenile: Whirlaway (interesting how he had him drifting towards the fence!)
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In agreement, a nice history lesson. I didnt remember Secretariat was the turf champion too. With any of these dream horses how could you place them last in the field?
triple crown, love to see it but odds are against it. I think it will happen again, came close last year, so I'll keep watch for it.
triple crown, love to see it but odds are against it. I think it will happen again, came close last year, so I'll keep watch for it.
This is great!
But it's RIBOT all the way!
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Whirlaway
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I thought the 9th place finish by Round Table was way off here.
Here we have the Champion grass horse 57, 58, and 59 and in 58 he won Handicap Horse of the year; set or equalled 15 track records and set a new American record for a mile and a quarter carrying 132 pounds. In the first graph of this analysis he, "takes up the chase in fourth", in the second graph is a, "comfortable fourth", and in the last graph he, "press [es] on gamely, but the unrelenting pace is taking its toll." One would think after running forth for a mile, he should be full of wind and come with a rush the last part of the race; we all know the principle: slow early fast late.
Oh well ... still fun to read even after the first read. Although I haven't read the book about Whirlaway, I have done some reading about him and part of that reading was he was unruly and w/o blinkers ran rank and towards the outside fence. I figure they ran him w/o blinkers in this one! They should do this for a match race ... Secretariat - vs - Whirlaway. The following lists their racing records. Tell me my friend who will win?
Big Red
21 - 16W - 3p - 1S
1972
1st - Sanford Stakes
1st - Hopeful Stakes
1st - Belmont Futurity
1st - Laurel Futurity
1st - Garden State Stakes
1st - Champagne Stakes
1973
1st - Kentucky Derby
1st - Preakness Stakes
1st - Belmont Stakes
1st - Man o' War Stakes
1st - Canadian International Stakes
1st - Gotham Stakes
1st - Bay Shore Stakes
1st - Arlington Invitational
The Twig
60 - 32W - 15P - 9S
1940
1st - Saratoga Special
1st - Hopeful Stakes
1st - Breeders' Futurity
1st - Walden Stakes
1st - United States Hotel Stakes
1st - Grand Union Hotel Stakes
1st - Arlington Futurity
1st - Belmont Futurity
1st - Pimlico Futurity
1941
1st - Kentucky Derby
1st - Preakness Stakes
1st - Belmont Stakes
1st - Sarnac Handicap
1st - Travers Stakes
1st - American Derby
1st - Lawrence Realization
1st - Dwyer Stakes
1st - Jockey Club Gold Cup#
1st - Blue Grass Stakes
1st - Derby Trial
1st - Classic Stakes
1st - Narragansett Special*
1942
1st - Clark Handicap
1st - Dixie Handicap
1st - Brooklyn Handicap
1st - Massachusetts Handicap
1st - Trenton Handicap
1st - Narragansett Special *
1st - Jockey Club Gold Cup #
1st - Washington Handicap
1st - Governor Bowie Handicap
1st - Louisiana Handicap
2nd - Phoenix Handicap
2nd - Suburban Handicap
2nd - Butler Handicap
2nd - Arlington Handicap
2nd - Match Race w/Alsab
2nd - Manhattan Handicap
2nd - Riggs Handicap
3rd - Carter Handicap
3rd - New York Handicap
I know, I know and I'm sure we've all hear it 1.3675 million times ... Secretariat was the greatest racehorse that ever lived. However, I have yet to find a horse with a winning record as a 2yo equal to that of Whirlaway. But most interesting I find these two horses highlight the generational differences in the breed, particularly in the number or races. Surely the thoroughbred has changed and that evolution towards speed continues. Always fun for me to take a journey back in time to the classic days of racing. Thanks for sending me back.
Here we have the Champion grass horse 57, 58, and 59 and in 58 he won Handicap Horse of the year; set or equalled 15 track records and set a new American record for a mile and a quarter carrying 132 pounds. In the first graph of this analysis he, "takes up the chase in fourth", in the second graph is a, "comfortable fourth", and in the last graph he, "press [es] on gamely, but the unrelenting pace is taking its toll." One would think after running forth for a mile, he should be full of wind and come with a rush the last part of the race; we all know the principle: slow early fast late.
Oh well ... still fun to read even after the first read. Although I haven't read the book about Whirlaway, I have done some reading about him and part of that reading was he was unruly and w/o blinkers ran rank and towards the outside fence. I figure they ran him w/o blinkers in this one! They should do this for a match race ... Secretariat - vs - Whirlaway. The following lists their racing records. Tell me my friend who will win?
Big Red
21 - 16W - 3p - 1S
1972
1st - Sanford Stakes
1st - Hopeful Stakes
1st - Belmont Futurity
1st - Laurel Futurity
1st - Garden State Stakes
1st - Champagne Stakes
1973
1st - Kentucky Derby
1st - Preakness Stakes
1st - Belmont Stakes
1st - Man o' War Stakes
1st - Canadian International Stakes
1st - Gotham Stakes
1st - Bay Shore Stakes
1st - Arlington Invitational
The Twig
60 - 32W - 15P - 9S
1940
1st - Saratoga Special
1st - Hopeful Stakes
1st - Breeders' Futurity
1st - Walden Stakes
1st - United States Hotel Stakes
1st - Grand Union Hotel Stakes
1st - Arlington Futurity
1st - Belmont Futurity
1st - Pimlico Futurity
1941
1st - Kentucky Derby
1st - Preakness Stakes
1st - Belmont Stakes
1st - Sarnac Handicap
1st - Travers Stakes
1st - American Derby
1st - Lawrence Realization
1st - Dwyer Stakes
1st - Jockey Club Gold Cup#
1st - Blue Grass Stakes
1st - Derby Trial
1st - Classic Stakes
1st - Narragansett Special*
1942
1st - Clark Handicap
1st - Dixie Handicap
1st - Brooklyn Handicap
1st - Massachusetts Handicap
1st - Trenton Handicap
1st - Narragansett Special *
1st - Jockey Club Gold Cup #
1st - Washington Handicap
1st - Governor Bowie Handicap
1st - Louisiana Handicap
2nd - Phoenix Handicap
2nd - Suburban Handicap
2nd - Butler Handicap
2nd - Arlington Handicap
2nd - Match Race w/Alsab
2nd - Manhattan Handicap
2nd - Riggs Handicap
3rd - Carter Handicap
3rd - New York Handicap
I know, I know and I'm sure we've all hear it 1.3675 million times ... Secretariat was the greatest racehorse that ever lived. However, I have yet to find a horse with a winning record as a 2yo equal to that of Whirlaway. But most interesting I find these two horses highlight the generational differences in the breed, particularly in the number or races. Surely the thoroughbred has changed and that evolution towards speed continues. Always fun for me to take a journey back in time to the classic days of racing. Thanks for sending me back.
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. - William O. Douglas
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
since we can only speculate, lettuce say whirlaway because he is the only crown-winner ever to go on and win Travers S. The quad-king if you willaway.
Now into the future, going to Oaklawn on the 15th if they donthave a dress code and tooth count.
please pick an exacta for me and not the derby race. I read somewhere on the internet you like to do that kinda stuff. Thanks.
Now into the future, going to Oaklawn on the 15th if they donthave a dress code and tooth count.
please pick an exacta for me and not the derby race. I read somewhere on the internet you like to do that kinda stuff. Thanks.
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wilf
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That was very interesting, thanks a lot Ragsdaj. To argue the merits of any of the runners would be a waste as they were all history-makers and living legends. Its funny too as I recall being in a courthouse in Adelaide , South Australia in the mid 70s on a charge of speeding and the man in front of me that day was up for being drunk and disorderely; his name was Pat Glennon. I knew about his great career overseas after leaving Australia and wish now that I could have spent a few hours just listening to his recollections of Sea=Bird 11 and life in France. Sorry to digress but it did bring back a long forgotten time. Thanks again.
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Whirlaway
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wilf,
Yes indeed those good ol' memories. If only I could go back to the yesteryear, let us say 1930-59, surely I would have seen some of the great ones. Interesting wilf isn't it, how the brain kinda flashes back on its own and brings back thoughts that seem like yesterday... a good memory of Glennon and the Bird'. And most assuredly, they were all history-makers and living legends, each in their own time.
ragsdaj,
Never heard of The Quad-Crown ... that was good. With respect to Oaklawn on the 15th, I did take a quick glance at the past performances and as I've done in the past, I'll start a thread and post the top three for the AD, The Bluegrass and the Northern Spur. I'll do extra duty on the AD in a nod of appreciation for you linking us to the great days gone past. Now mind you when others ask me for my picks I always give reminding them that it's much more fun and rewarding when the horses YOU PICK come in.
Yes indeed those good ol' memories. If only I could go back to the yesteryear, let us say 1930-59, surely I would have seen some of the great ones. Interesting wilf isn't it, how the brain kinda flashes back on its own and brings back thoughts that seem like yesterday... a good memory of Glennon and the Bird'. And most assuredly, they were all history-makers and living legends, each in their own time.
ragsdaj,
Never heard of The Quad-Crown ... that was good. With respect to Oaklawn on the 15th, I did take a quick glance at the past performances and as I've done in the past, I'll start a thread and post the top three for the AD, The Bluegrass and the Northern Spur. I'll do extra duty on the AD in a nod of appreciation for you linking us to the great days gone past. Now mind you when others ask me for my picks I always give reminding them that it's much more fun and rewarding when the horses YOU PICK come in.
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. - William O. Douglas
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
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It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give credibility to the opinions they attack. - Voltaire
I am thinking race 7 The Instant racing Breeders Cup S race.
#1 Holy Bridle 2 Beau Dare 3 Alys Vow 4 Coronados Vision 5 Seen Dancing 6 Morner 7 Incumbent 8 Gasia
Competitive field but I see this comingdown to Coronado pressed hard by Beau Dare for 2nd and Gasia 3rd, seen dancing 4 and the rest of the field.
I know little about betting and will change this order when I see them walking around the stalls surely. The only thing for certain is I will bet 4 dollars.
#1 Holy Bridle 2 Beau Dare 3 Alys Vow 4 Coronados Vision 5 Seen Dancing 6 Morner 7 Incumbent 8 Gasia
Competitive field but I see this comingdown to Coronado pressed hard by Beau Dare for 2nd and Gasia 3rd, seen dancing 4 and the rest of the field.
I know little about betting and will change this order when I see them walking around the stalls surely. The only thing for certain is I will bet 4 dollars.