I over heard today that 47 TB had to be put down at Hollywood Pk. spring summer meet.
This is not a good stat and I thought it over before I posted this report.
I like to report all the good news to keep everyone informed, but this is a negative for the sport of horse racing.
47 TB have been put down at HOLLYWOOD PK.
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47 TB have been put down at HOLLYWOOD PK.
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Louis Finochio
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Re: 47 TB have been put down at HOLLYWOOD PK.
louis finochio wrote:I like to report all the good news to keep everyone informed, but this is a negative for the sport of horse racing.
Unless you can report the circumstances of all 47 horses, I wish you wouldn't. That kind of thing only incites fear-mongering.
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Trainer Darrell Vienna old school trainer, is not one to lean on the vets to make his TB artifically sound.
Trainer Bruce Headley is another old school trainer that keeps his TB sound without the over use of vets.
If these two trainers can do it, those other trainers could do the same, if they didnt use the vets as a crutch.
If the new generation of trainers came up under the old school trainers, the breakdown stats would decline.
The CHRB should require the novice trainers to serve their apprentice ship by coming up under the old school trainers before giving them a trainers license.
Trainer Bruce Headley is another old school trainer that keeps his TB sound without the over use of vets.
If these two trainers can do it, those other trainers could do the same, if they didnt use the vets as a crutch.
If the new generation of trainers came up under the old school trainers, the breakdown stats would decline.
The CHRB should require the novice trainers to serve their apprentice ship by coming up under the old school trainers before giving them a trainers license.
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Louis Finochio
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Again, unless you can report the circumstances of all 47 deaths, all you are doing is spreading fact based gossip. That is EXTREMELY irresponsible.
Simply starting a thread with "47 horses dead at Hollywood Park" with NO details as to how each horse died, the implication is that the TRACK is somehow at fault.
Simply starting a thread with "47 horses dead at Hollywood Park" with NO details as to how each horse died, the implication is that the TRACK is somehow at fault.
suzyd wrote:It isn't always the trainer that pushes to hard, many times it's an
owner with cash flow problems and/or ego problems.
If those owners would have to "pull the trigger" so to speak, on their fallen horse, maybe they would get a little more understanding ????
The point I keep trying to make is that sometimes there is NO ONE at fault for a horse breaking down. Perfectly sound horses can and do take freak bad steps and bust legs. While I know I saw Barbaro gimping after the Derby (and I'm not the only one) I don't believe he was "unsound" and his snapping his leg was an ACCIDENT for which NO ONE is at fault.
Starting a thread with "47 horses dead at Hollywood Park" without listing specifics is done for one reason and one reason only -- to incite anger and imply that the track is somehow at fault.
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Sam: I didnt say the track was at fault, those trainers that let the vets train their TB through the over use of med, are using a quick fix and bandade method.
That will only add to the problems of breakdowns, and cause injuries to the jocks.
When you work on the backstretch and see only a handful of trainers watching their TB walk on the toe ring, those trainers are way ahead of those trainers that dont come back to the barn after the track is closed for training.
That will only add to the problems of breakdowns, and cause injuries to the jocks.
When you work on the backstretch and see only a handful of trainers watching their TB walk on the toe ring, those trainers are way ahead of those trainers that dont come back to the barn after the track is closed for training.
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Louis Finochio
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louis finochio wrote:Sam: I didnt say the track was at fault
No, you didn't. This is what you posted:
I over heard today that 47 TB had to be put down at Hollywood Pk. spring summer meet.
This is not a good stat and I thought it over before I posted this report.
I like to report all the good news to keep everyone informed, but this is a negative for the sport of horse racing.
That was the entire post, leading with "47 TBs put down at HOLLYWOOD PARK"
The unnecessary capitalization of the name of the track and your utter lack of details gives the IMPRESSION that the track is somehow at fault.
There was not one thing in your initial post that would indicate you thought it was trainers pushing or over-medicating their charges, that some might be the result of freakish bad steps or even that not all of these horses had broken down ON THE TRACK.
All you did was post that 47 horses had died during a specific meet and unnecessarily stressed the name of the track. The unstated implication is that the track is somehow at fault. You offered NOTHING of fact. You can't even offer that 47 horses have in fact died. You said it was something you'd "overheard".
THAT is gossip mongering and TOTALLY irresponsible. You're spreading rumours.
regardless of what caused them to be put down, it is not a good stat.
I did not see anyone blaming the track in the prior posts.
Yes, some break down for no reason, but many others have reasons, and
as other posters on this thread have tried to say, it is human error or quality of trainer, or owner.
And to say that NO one is at fault when a horse breaks down? PLEEEEZE
I did not see anyone blaming the track in the prior posts.
Yes, some break down for no reason, but many others have reasons, and
as other posters on this thread have tried to say, it is human error or quality of trainer, or owner.
And to say that NO one is at fault when a horse breaks down? PLEEEEZE
suzyd wrote:regardless of what caused them to be put down, it is not a good stat.
Only if you know that 47 horses have in fact died and that ALL 47 of them died ON THE TRACK either during a race or during training.
suzyd wrote:I did not see anyone blaming the track in the prior posts.
No one DID. Do you understand the concept of "Unspoken implication"?
suzyd wrote:Yes, some break down for no reason
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And to say that NO one is at fault when a horse breaks down?
Do you even realize you just contradicted yourself, Suzy? In one sentence you agree that horses can and do breakdown FOR NO REASON, and in the next you say that no horse can breakdown without it being someone's fault.
If a horse can breakdown FOR NO REASON, how can fault be assigned?
Unless we know for a fact that 47 horses have died, that all 47 died ON THE TRACK and what kind of injury forced all 47 to be put down, it is extremely irresponsible to make the kind of post Louis did. All he's doing by making that post is spreading UNSUBSTANTIATED rumours.
Louis said he OVERHEARD (without saying WHO he overheard) that 47 horses had been put down. No further information was offered. He hasn't offered any PROOF that many horses had died and unless he has details on ALL 47 deaths, he can't even say that they were all racing related. There are many reason a horse could be put down on the premises and NOT have it related to actually running a race a workout. The horse may not even have busted a leg. Maybe a horse was put down because it colliced.
THINK before you post.