a filly! - UPDATE! She IS nursing! Pics added!

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Postby Karie » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:46 pm

thanks :) Everyone I have talked to has said "hmmm I will have to remember the no doz" Apparently this is a normal thing in KY..
Just never heard of it here in Michigan...

now I will have to start thinking of a name for this one..
Equality out of Surprise Audit, by Mehmet...
any Ideas?

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Postby Tairaterces » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:43 am

First name that popped into my mind after reading your "name" post is,
I'matoughlittlebean . . . . . . . . . . . . :wink:

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Postby Sheikh » Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:09 am

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Postby Karie » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:09 pm

Ok guys!! Great news!!!
Mom and baby are coming home tomorrow..

The filly weighed 123.5 pounds when we got there.. she is now 136.5 so she is doing GREAT!!!

I am really shocked that she will make it... The odds were really against us! :D

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Postby madelyn » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:55 am

That's GREAT news!
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Postby henthorn » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:34 am

Hot dog! Let's have a party! :D
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Postby Karie » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:20 pm

Hee are some pictures.. she is getting stronger everyday... Her head is still swollen and her back ankles are oozing and will lose the skin so they are wrapped up... She is doing MUCH better though...

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Postby madelyn » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:34 am

Well I call that miraculous! Now, since I have never dealt with a septic foal, or seen the swollen head and oozing ankles, I have some questions. What causes that? Is she on antibiotics or something?

How was the No-Doz given? Crushed up and in mares milk?

Good luck with your tough little "Auditor"...
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Postby Karie » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:56 pm

I just got home from giving her her antibiotics.. took forever to change her bandages.. she was pretending to be in the KY Oaks and was running laps for 20 mins in her huge stall...

I will have to get the papers out of my truck tomorrow for the No Doze info.. and the antibiotics.. too tired to remember the name of them!!

Her hind ankles are GROSS. If someone wants to see pictures of them pm me I WONT post them. They are nasty. They are losing allt he skin and hair. It turns black and dies.. gotta cut it off and scrub it with novascan.. really gross stuff. Not a clue what caused it at all... MSU really didn't explain it... but when i first took her to MSU her hind ankles were swollen HUGE they said it was because she hadn't been walking on them the last few hours... I am not sure.

She feels great though... running and bucking for a good 20 mins.. it was great to see.. Even at 11:30 at night.. ha ha

Her head actually looks like the swelling has went down some. There is a little cut on her head but no one could explain why her head swelled up so big. Everyone that sees her says she looks like a standardbred.. ha ha

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Postby Tairaterces » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:05 am

Karie,

For all of the trouble this little one has had . . . . .right now she is the prettiest little thing that ever was born.

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Postby BJ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:38 pm

I'm just catching up on some posts. Didn't even know this was going on :shock:

She's beautiful Karie! Keeping my fingers crossed for her!

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Postby Roguelet » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:43 am

We keep NoDoz in our foaling kit because of a seminar we went to many years ago, but I couldn't remember specifics, so this thread made me go dig up my notes.

It was the AAEP Reproduction Symposium in 1999, held at the VMRCVM. Caffiene was presented at that time as something that had met with some success in dummy foals, etc, to improve their respiratory function. They told us in the seminar that the recommendations for caffeine therapy had been derived from its use in human infants with sleep apnea. The doseage at that time was 10mg/Kg on day one, followed by daily doses of 2.5mg/Kg as long as needed. They suggested orally, but also said that the medication could be given rectally and was absorbed nearly as well that way as orally. There was more info. given, but I don't want to re-type the entire article here. :wink:

The source of this information at the time was Dr. Madigan at the New Bolton Center. I have no idea if this person is still there or still involved in caffeine therapy research, or if the recommended doseage has changed (this was 7 years ago, after all) but at least it's a starting point for anyone interested in pursuing this further.
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Postby Bondama » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:40 am

Karie, did anyone ever pinpoint what exactly it was that caused the foal to be septic? I was reading my April 21 Horse & Pony News this morning and found the following article which immediately made me think of your foal. It's not a long article, so I'll type it in:

MARE REPRODUCTIVE LOSS SYNDROME (MRLS) CONFIRMED IN FLORIDA

By Dana Zimmel, DVM, Diplomate ACVIM, ABVP (Equine Practice), University of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine

The University of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine has confirmed one case of MRLS and has two other cases that are suspect. All three cases occurred in Alachua County this spring.

Two cases were septic foals that received treatment in the UFCFVM intensive care unit but were subsequently euthanized. The third case was a late-term abortion.

Diagnosis of MRLS was confirmed by UF pathologist Dr. John Roberts who worked at the University of Kentucky Livestock Disease Diagnostic Center during the Kentucky MRLS outbreak of 2001-2002.

MRLS has not been previously reported in Florida. The Kentucky outbreak suffered severe economic losses estimated to be near $336-500 million and a loss of 30 percent of the estimated foal crop for 2002.

MRLS has been linked to the consumption of Eastern Tent caterpillars. Eastern tent caterpillars prefer wild cherry, apple and crabapple. The clinical syndromes include: early pregnancy loss, late-term abortions, foals born weak and septic, pericarditis, uveitis, laminitis and oral ulceration.

At this time, we strongly recommend that all abortions and foal deaths receive a post-mortem evaluation. Inspection of pastures for the presence of cherry trees and caterpillars is critical. The only way to protect the pregnant mare is to remove her from contact with the caterpillars. Early pregnancy loss can be detected by ultrasonographic evaluation.

For more information, consult the University of Kentucky web page on MRLS at www.ca.uky.edu/gluck/mrls/index.htm or The Horse: Your Guide to Equine Health Care at www.thehorse.com.

Not trying to sound any alarms or anything, just help find out WHY. I'm sure glad your foal is on the rebound, though, that's the best thing of all in this thread.

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Postby ZiaLand » Tue May 02, 2006 7:15 am

Karie,

She's a little doll. Congratulations on beating the odds.

Hope she continues to get healthier and happier.

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Postby Karie » Mon May 08, 2006 9:07 pm

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updated pictures... she is doing great!
She is strong and a true fighter!

We are so lucky to have her :)