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Postby summerhorse » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:04 pm

As a riding horse I'd guess around $1,000 assuming she is sound and sane. As a broodmare? Well they'd have to PAY me to take her. She's not what I would consider breeding material if you are looking to better the breed.
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Postby Linda in TX » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:18 pm

summerhorse wrote:As a broodmare? Well they'd have to PAY me to take her. She's not what I would consider breeding material if you are looking to better the breed.


Did you look at her pedigree...? The mare is half to the dam of two Graded stakes winner, one with earnings over $1 million.

The influence of this mare's family is quite prevalent. She traces tail-female to Alablue through Alanesian. Without Alanesian we wouldn't have Boldnesian, without Boldnesian we wouldn't have Bold Reasoning, and without Bold Reasoning we wouldn't have Seattle Slew.

It's not the mare's fault she's been significantly cheapened by bad matings, as well as no matings the past three seasons. But there's nothing wrong with her bottom line. If more wannabe race horse breeders used mares of this caliber rather than their junk bred pets, the breed would certainly be better.

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Her half sister is a good individual

Postby Keith » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:48 pm

Her half sister is a good individual. No two horses are the same. Ioya is by a much better sire in Naskra. Ioya is proven on the track and as a broodmare. Hub City Dancer is proven not to produce and far worth less than $40,000. I agree she has not been bred to much as far as sires go and maybe someone should buy her for $40,000 and breed her to Dynaformer and foal her out in Idaho so you have a chance to win the Idaho Cup.

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Postby FancyHorse » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:22 pm

Even if her Pedigree is the best in the world, is she isn't producing anything that has made a good ammount of money, not many people would be interested in using her, much less paying $40k for her. I just sold a mare of by a Phone Trick stallion for $1k because she didn't perform too well at the track and it took me 3 weeks to sell her for that price!!!! I didn't even sell her as a broodmare either! If she was my horse, I'd rebreak her for another discipline and sell her for a couple thousand. I wish you luck in selling her.
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Postby austique » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:50 pm

She's worth what she brought at auction. Our Procida mare has a very similar pedigree with a better production record and bred to a few pretty uninspiring stallions (they kept inbreeding to Mr. P and RAN). She also has production issues and we paid abou $50 less than that mare brought at auction. She might be worth a gander at less than $1000, but $40,000 is way insane.
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Postby ragsdaj1 » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:43 am

Lucy wrote:Wonder which '$75k stallion' she's booked to?


The two 75K sires have been nixed in favor of a local one, Abstract.


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Postby Linda in TX » Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:19 am

Keith wrote:Hub City Dancer is proven not to produce and far worth less than $40,000. I agree she has not been bred to much as far as sires go and maybe someone should buy her for $40,000 and breed her to Dynaformer

FancyHorse wrote:Even if her Pedigree is the best in the world, is she isn't producing anything that has made a good ammount of money, not many people would be interested in using her, much less paying $40k for her.

austique wrote:She might be worth a gander at less than $1000, but $40,000 is way insane.


People, read the thread.

No one, including me, has argued the mare is worth $40,000.

Just because her market value is closer to $400 than $40,000, however, doesn't mean she isn't "breeding worthy" as Summerhorse stated.

As for breeding her to Dynaformer, I don't believe that's necessary. Plenty of stallions are available (for a fee less than Dynaformer's) with a pedigree to complement her's. Unfortunately, no one's taken the time to research her pedigree to ensure a proper mating, and the mare thus far has been squandered.

FancyHorse wrote:I wish you luck in selling her.


I don't know who you're responding to FancyHorse. As far as I can tell, the owner of the mare has not contributed to this thread.

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Postby madelyn » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:40 am

I didn't mean to get any sniping going... I just throught the ad was, well, ridiculous. As are the other two ads by the same seller. While Hub City Dancer is, indeed, tail female to Alanesian alas that is only half of her pedigree. She IS half sister to a nice mare, Ioya.
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Postby austique » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:45 am

Ah-hem Soft Turquoise will have you know her daddy is the sire of 13 black-type winners. Okay none of them were majorly impressive, but they were blacktype winners none the less :lol:
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Postby madelyn » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:50 am

Dang, you can't turn around here without elbowing SOMEONE... sorry, Soft Turquoise. I just haven't seen your daddy on a broodmare sire list lately :D .

The reality is that for a mare to be worth $40K she would have to have an awful lot more going for her than Hub City Dancer.

Wanna spend $40K?? Take a look at my mare, Express to Boston, who is IN FOAL (YAY!!!!!!!) on her one and only May 7th cover to Street Cry, on a foal share. First $40K takes her next year (after weaning, maybe bred back). :lol:
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Postby LSB » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:03 pm

madelyn wrote:Wanna spend $40K?? Take a look at my mare, Express to Boston, who is IN FOAL (YAY!!!!!!!) on her one and only May 7th cover to Street Cry, on a foal share. First $40K takes her next year (after weaning, maybe bred back). :lol:


Madelyn, don't be so fast to sell that mare in foal to Street Cry. :)

We have a 2YO filly by him who should (if nothing goes wrong!) be heading to the track next month. She's a big, strong filly who loves to work, and I've heard good things about others by him as well.

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Postby austique » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:23 pm

I do have to see I wasn't impressed with Street Cry when I saw him, but watching his foals work at the sales (even on the small screen of the computer) I was impressed. They were uniformly good. Covered the ground well and looked the part of a racehorse. I think you two could have nice ones on your hands.
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Postby madelyn » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:03 pm

Hey, I was kidding!! She's not actually for sale. I just think she is more likely to be worth $40K than the mare in that ad :lol: :lol:
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