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Postby ckaye » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:23 pm

From the above link.

Authorities removed horses from a farm in Steuben County Friday following an animal cruelty complaint. The investigation is taking place at a horse farm in the Town of Troupsburg. SPCA officials are not releasing the name of the owner of the farm that's at the corner of County Route 82 and Olmstead Road.

SPCA investigator Scott Mazzo says there were up to 70 horses at the farm. He would not say how many were removed from the farm Friday. No charges have been filed yet as Mazzo expects the on-scene investigation to last another day or so.

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Postby Laurierace » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:25 pm

mightyhijames wrote:i can't open the link, what happened? from what i can gather, gerry left 'some' horses and they've now been taken over by local authorities? what will happen to them, i was interested in one of the older mares - ballet prospect.


That is not even remotely close to what happened. You will have the whole story in a day or two when the charges are filed, just be patient.

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Mare with Gerry

Postby BridledObsession » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:38 am

Well, if anyone can help me get in touch with Gerry, I would appreciate it. She has our mare that she picked up this spring. We'd be happy to go out and pick her up this weekend if we could simply locate her. I've contacted the SPCA and AC4H -- so far, no responses.

Any help, info or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Postby Bourbon&Bluegrass » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:01 am

Not sure how the laws work in NY and it may depend on whether the animal was seized or surrendered. In some states if a horse is seized and not surrendered the seizing authority (in this case the SPCA) cannot release any horses until the court case is decided. On the flip side, if any were surrendered (and again, not sure how it applies in NY) they become the property of the SPCA and once evaluated could be released. Since there haven't been any details given by the SPCA it's anyone's guess how this will unfold. At least either way they're still in the hands of the SPCA and getting cared for. Wonder if the owners of any would be responsible for reimbursement of expenses? I don't know the laws of NY.

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Postby BridledObsession » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:25 am

B&B - I've been wondering the same thing, as in how much will it cost and/or how difficult is it going to be for me to get her back. Obviously, the sooner I can get my mare, the better off she is. There is no way they will care for her the way I will -- especially given the number of horses they have just taken in.

I suppose I just have to be patient. Not easy, under the circumstances. I am beyond frustrated.

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Postby Bourbon&Bluegrass » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:34 am

Ugh! SPCA press release

http://www.fingerlakesspca.org/Press%20Release%20090308.htm

Two horses shown look darned bad.

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Postby doublete » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:46 am

The press release is out, but like others have said, names have not been released yet. Anyone with horses there (that they had boarded with there) will have to wait patiently for the horses to be examined and looked after. They cannot be released until the SPCA has said they can.


But please remember, if the horses belonged to the farm owner, they are in the hands of the SPCA until the case is over and it is determined that they either be returned or adopted out by the spca. Edited to remind that horses that were given to the farm owner are OWNED by that person now.

I went through this when a case in Lexington, KY happened. I had leased a mare to her client, but the mare was not seized. It still took me forever to get her back and had to prove ownership, etc. I did get her back though. It was just a slow process, because they were proving the party guilty. Who, by the way, I have nothing against because I really didn't know them. I have no idea what happened, just know that the end result was a guilty verdict. My mare looked great when I finally picked her up in KY and I do have her still.
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Ouch.

Postby soft hearted » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:54 pm

What I really feel for, is if an (actual) owner happens to see their animal posted looking like either of those. Watching the agonies of those who had horses being boarded there, or there to be bred, leased, or whatever - I can only imagine the horror they'll feel when they see a walking bone rack and realize 'oh my gosh, that's Beauty!'
My heart goes out to ALL involved.

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Postby Hold Your Peace » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:17 pm

Gerry wrote:Heading your way Crystal! Mom got a new position with the state and a 5hr commute would be crazy :-) so we are looking for a farm and decided to cut back to make transporting easier given I only have a 3horse trailer.


Hopefully that "new position with the state" has the title of inmate.

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Postby Skipitgirl » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:05 am

Interesting that the accused has not spoken up to defend herself?

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Postby mcgarrett » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:35 am

sylvie ?? you posted prev that years ago you were there and saw "mares like ghosts in the field" did you not report your info to any one ????

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Postby yukidragon » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:03 pm

Look who is involved here SPCA & HSUS .
Both aren't worth the time of day.
I saw a show on Animal planet casting SPCA.
They arrest a chicken truck driver an charge him with cruelty to animals because two chickens out of what looked to be a 1000 was dead he was hauling.
When they were going to be slaughtered.
Get real.
Another show the SPCA takes horses because of (a) mud hole on one spot in the pasture an a few weeds.
Then they harass a homeless man because his dog's hair was matted.
Least the homeless man gave the dog a chance to live.
HSUS I'm not going there.
Not enough time in the day to tell how pitiful they are.
Plus, I can't keep my cool that long typing about them.

Now out of they say 70 or so horses, two have ribs showing an a third is few hundred pounds under weight.
Which looks bad because, It's summer an pastures should have something for them to eat.

I have to say we had one old horse 25+ years old with liver disease that who take spells an lose weight fast not as ribby as the two shown but ribby enough.
Only because we feed her 3 times a day grain ,corn oil etc to keep weight on her she lived so long..

Hard to judge fairly anything with the little info they have released.
What makes it worse is if it is animal cruelty an not all the horses are theirs.
Woo run like the wind.
Me as a horse owner I would be hunting them down for a little one on one meeting if one was mine.
I do look down on animal cruelty .
I hope the members here would as well.

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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:32 pm

sure i did.but who am i?not even an american...and by the way any of you ever walked the barns at Finger Lakes(one of the worst) or Beulah,River Downs,Fort Erie,Thisledown or probably any other cheap track....now tell me why you did not complain upon seing all these bone skinny horses with neglected feet and dirty stalls...and to whom for God sake...i remember one year at Penn the trainer(a woman)next to us would not show up for 1-2 days,no cleaning,feeding or watering,the trainer next to her (a real nice fellow)went to the race office many times to no avail.Here in Canada,fort Erie,a trainer(son of well known one)always drunk,on coke and beat the horses senseless,you cant complain, they don't care ,if you do they scratch your horses,nobody will ride them or you loose your stalls so you shut the **** up or stop training.beginning of the 70's in Montreal when trainer was broke he would just leave with his stuff and simply abandonned the horses so after a couple days finally the race office would call security and the poor souls would finally leave in the meat/dealer van...i had 3 horses shipped to me from River downs to Louisiana,they had been left there by a trainer,the stewards called the owner to pick them up...they arrived so weak and starved it took months to have them in a shape decent enough to start galloping and/or find a home and the feet!!!...don't let me start on that....i can just assure you of one thing:anyone can come inspect my barn anytime anywhere and you don't have to call first,all my horses are in top shape,they all get the best wether they are winners or loosers,feet are done regularly,stalls spotless,best quality feed and vets,sometimes i don't eat well or have to work 16 hours days but all horses under my care get very important respect,nobody run if lame or sick and all get to be placed in decent home or will be humanely put down,none will get on a meat truck or be abused as long as i am alive.And they will give back tenfolds,i am not talking money,i am talking intangibles...Horses always do their best there are no sour horses only sore ones.Sorry for the diatribe...
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Postby soundfast » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:08 pm

You could try talking to Lynn Brennan. See RIP Lipstick Kiss in the General Discussion category. She is writing a story on the cruelty case. The Finger Lakes SPCA and animal control officer Mazzo might listen also.

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Postby Des » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:25 pm

WOW.....I lost a mare at Gerry's Farm Last year. She was in foal too...Tell me this is untrue Please