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Postby griff » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:51 pm

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I belive i found where a "GELD THEM ALL" poster was breeding rescued mares.. Gelding a dozen colts will not have nearly the same impact as spaying one mare.

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Postby Jessi P » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:26 pm

KBE you have some very excellent points that I would like to further discuss with the other moderators. I have an anatomy exam tomorrow I am studying for but will get caught up here in short order over the next couple days.

That will teach me for not having my pedquery with my cheerios! ;)
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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:26 am

By the way Griff i don't breed rescued mares,or any mares for that matter,for many years.evidently a lot of rescued mares or sold ones end up being bred by their owners sooner or later,whether we like it or not.I and others preach in the desert,quite evidently.I don't blame breeders only the ones doing it indiscriminatly,i don't blame owners only the ones with no regards for the horses,i don't blame trainers only the ones who quick fix,don't feed,don't train and don't care what happen to the horse after.
The race horse industry is on a downward spiral,economy,other ways of entertaining,mondialisation,but also the general public is often appaled at what happens to horses,breakdowns,drugs.I know that none of this is everyone's fault but all of us involved in this industry have the burden of carrying it.
For our sport to survive in the years to come,we have to clean up our act and attract a new public.The younger crowd is into nature,environnement and protectionnism.
So only looking at survival and in a businesslike fashion,we strongly need to adapt to the general mentality,and it is not with careless breeding and throwing away of "useless" horses that we will do it.
Every time i am at auction i hear the same comments:we race people don't care about horses only about cash and fame,we don't "love" horses,have no respect for them.Every show i go to, when a TB win,people say he was "saved from the track" or rescued from racing...I know this is B*** because some of those horses had a better life at the track,they were fed,treated and cared for well and care was also into their retirement.Lot's of times i sell horses,fat and in good shape,only to find them for sale 6 months or a year later on the web,in terrible condition.(if some of you want before and after pictures email me)Saved from the track?Give me a break...he should have been saved from them.
Sadly this is the perception of the general public that will be our demise if we cannot change it,against us?,economy,irresponsibility,carelessness,drug abuse,regulations being inconstant,protectionnism,plain greed...If we don't move fast,racing will be a thing of the past...
I never said no horses should be bred but for the moment,i strongly believe that we should stop breeding everything in sight,and think twice about multiplying our herds.Lot's of people get into this on a whim,or for (so elusive)profit.There are already too many horses in general,the hobby horse market cannot absorb all of them,whether TB or plain grade hack.
I battle this all the time,in the riding horse market small backyard breeders are legion,and unwanted horses multiply,unfed,uncared for,cripples or simply too many....
So it is not just you or me or TB breeders it is a global problem,but we have to start with ourselves,and let ask before we breed:is there a real need for that specific horse?And if not for myself,any real market for it?
The sport and industry survive not only because of the champions that are remembered forever but also because of the losers that are so easy to forget...

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Postby Crystal » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:46 pm

I agree that some horses have a better life at the track.. and the term "rescued off the track" makes me want to get in some peoples face. Ignorance is bliss and many rescues have bigger hearts that brains.. Not saying ANY in particular, but just some. Most are out to help place horses and not degrade the owner and trainer, which has its pros/cons. It's helping sell the puppy mill puppy. Education and awareness is really the only key.

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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:01 pm

we have seen it in the past months where some of those rescues farms had to be rescued themselves.It is really impossible to safely place all horses,some would be better off put down,i am witness to some rescues buying horses at auction and spending thousands to "save" them for an uncertain life of "companionship" because of major issues,like blindness,age,cripple.That money would be better spent on education of the younger crowd or retraining some that could be rehomed.
Same for dogs,what is the point of keeping old,huge,untrained dogs in a cage or a kennel for months or years when your your time and money could be used on education(my pet peeve) or simply training a young decent one for a good future.
I get blamed for that,if the horse is so cripple or crazy that nobody wants or should want it,better put him out of his misery.When i have a good family lined up,i try to make sure they get a good horse so they will stay in that sport,if i push something bad for them this is more people out of the horses for the future.
The sport and industry survive not only because of the champions that are remembered forever but also because of the losers that are so easy to forget...