Echelon's Ice Man is being sold by Louisiana Tech University on the Thoroughlybred.com auction site. The initial bid for this 20 year old stallion is $1.00. The only reason that the school has him on the auction site is that they have no need for a TB stallion at this point. PM for more info, if desired.
Here's a link to the site:
http://www.thoroughlybred.com/item.cgi? ... 0000002055
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He is a nice and healthy looking 20 year old.
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Ditto what everyone else has said about this stallion - he is one classy looking stud who has that 'air' about him. He knows he's special.
He's also been a much more useful sire of runners than this database would have you believe - be sure to take a look at the stats on the bid site, general though they are. I'll try to get his lifetime offspring results into the db tonight. True, he sired no B/T winning offspring but few of the mares he was bred to did much to help him out in that department.
His dam was one fast, tough race mare in her day and she was fairly prolific in terms of foals in the breeding shed - producing several BT offspring, including G1 3YO winner of the Malibu Stakes, RUN MAN RUN (by Theatrical) and LADY STARLIT. Most of her foals raced - her owner was a man who liked to see his horses run in top level competition. Echelon Ice Man's half-brother, Marquee Star, a useful runner at best with just $65k in earnings was at stud here in Texas (Significantly he was stood by his trainer) and got some long-lived, useful types from few mares and even lesser quality - pedigree wise than Ice would see. Marquee Star's full brother Trifecta Scott is standing in Illinois this season, after an initial season or two in Texas with virtually no advertising, effort to support him here. Both are by Theatrical and full brothers to the ill fated G1 winning RUN MAN RUN.
"Ice" was her first born who was pointed to the Derby Trail as a 2YO until he bowed a tendon and then did rebowed it in his comeback attempt at age 3. He retired a GSP winner at age 3 with > $160K in earnings - and that was made against good company. However, with the lack of race performance - i.e. no Graded Stakes wins and earnings below $250K; his pedigree under his dam a bit light on the sire-producing side (she was just getting started in the breeding shed) - "Ice" wasn't a good fit for KY, FLA or CA. His breeder/owner wanted to stand him in Texas, his home state, now that Pari-Mututal wagering had passed on the ballot and Sam Houston Race Track was under construction. Unfortunately his was a racing stable and not a breeding stable - so no mare support for "Ice" though Woodswitch Farm did support him with some of their better mares. His foals were pretty much stamped in his image and he often improved upon a less well balanced and coarsely put together mare in their resulting foal. His offspring IMO would have benefited from being raced a bit later - in their 3YO year - but everyone in Texas wanted (and for the most part still wants) a 2YO winner, not to mention the pressure on a stud farm to have 2YO winners. His winners from starters and av. earnings per starter are really pretty good - even when compared with other more fashionable stallions in La. and/or Texas. "Ice" is a smart horse and passes that on to many of his offspring. I had a colt by him - the first born of my mare - and he was a well made, athletic son of a gun. A real 'toot' - very smart and full of himself as a youngster and quickly gelded as a young race prospect so he could focus on his 'career'. Unfortuantely many things conspired against our ever realizing that colt's full potential as a racehorse. I sold him to a friend in the Bryan College Station area to be trained on in Eventing. She found him to be the scopiest horse she'd ever worked with, as did her a top notch eventing trainer she worked with at Pinehill. She has since sold him on to a woman who loves dressage - at sufficient a premium to help make the downpayment on her first home. She was kind enough to let me know she was going to sell him and in every way honored the agreement we had to 're-career' him.
I think for someone with a dual WB/TB breed to race farm/operation this might be your stallion. He knows what his job is and he passes on that powerful, balanced physique and dark bay good looks with a finely made head and large lustrous eye. I think he would cross well with large framed, heavier set WB mares to produce a lighter in hand, more responsive and athletic WB-Cross without downsizing them and without simply putting a skinny neck and wellmade head on a body that doesn't fit with it. THis stallion has a very nice shoulder and depth of chest, is short from withers to croup while long underneath and has decent bone. He can make a good 3YO runner/winner at the regional level given a mare with a female family that bodes well for such production and might yet produce some BT winners given mares with more such production up close in their pedigree. In any event his offspring have always sold on well for the H/J and Eventing disciplines after they've raced or in lieu of racing. I think his pedigree might particularly like mares that bring him a double of Ribot, strains of Nasrullah. As he's already got three lines to Native Dancer, two via Raise A Native, I would avoid mares of such breeding with this stallion.
He's also been a much more useful sire of runners than this database would have you believe - be sure to take a look at the stats on the bid site, general though they are. I'll try to get his lifetime offspring results into the db tonight. True, he sired no B/T winning offspring but few of the mares he was bred to did much to help him out in that department.
His dam was one fast, tough race mare in her day and she was fairly prolific in terms of foals in the breeding shed - producing several BT offspring, including G1 3YO winner of the Malibu Stakes, RUN MAN RUN (by Theatrical) and LADY STARLIT. Most of her foals raced - her owner was a man who liked to see his horses run in top level competition. Echelon Ice Man's half-brother, Marquee Star, a useful runner at best with just $65k in earnings was at stud here in Texas (Significantly he was stood by his trainer) and got some long-lived, useful types from few mares and even lesser quality - pedigree wise than Ice would see. Marquee Star's full brother Trifecta Scott is standing in Illinois this season, after an initial season or two in Texas with virtually no advertising, effort to support him here. Both are by Theatrical and full brothers to the ill fated G1 winning RUN MAN RUN.
"Ice" was her first born who was pointed to the Derby Trail as a 2YO until he bowed a tendon and then did rebowed it in his comeback attempt at age 3. He retired a GSP winner at age 3 with > $160K in earnings - and that was made against good company. However, with the lack of race performance - i.e. no Graded Stakes wins and earnings below $250K; his pedigree under his dam a bit light on the sire-producing side (she was just getting started in the breeding shed) - "Ice" wasn't a good fit for KY, FLA or CA. His breeder/owner wanted to stand him in Texas, his home state, now that Pari-Mututal wagering had passed on the ballot and Sam Houston Race Track was under construction. Unfortunately his was a racing stable and not a breeding stable - so no mare support for "Ice" though Woodswitch Farm did support him with some of their better mares. His foals were pretty much stamped in his image and he often improved upon a less well balanced and coarsely put together mare in their resulting foal. His offspring IMO would have benefited from being raced a bit later - in their 3YO year - but everyone in Texas wanted (and for the most part still wants) a 2YO winner, not to mention the pressure on a stud farm to have 2YO winners. His winners from starters and av. earnings per starter are really pretty good - even when compared with other more fashionable stallions in La. and/or Texas. "Ice" is a smart horse and passes that on to many of his offspring. I had a colt by him - the first born of my mare - and he was a well made, athletic son of a gun. A real 'toot' - very smart and full of himself as a youngster and quickly gelded as a young race prospect so he could focus on his 'career'. Unfortuantely many things conspired against our ever realizing that colt's full potential as a racehorse. I sold him to a friend in the Bryan College Station area to be trained on in Eventing. She found him to be the scopiest horse she'd ever worked with, as did her a top notch eventing trainer she worked with at Pinehill. She has since sold him on to a woman who loves dressage - at sufficient a premium to help make the downpayment on her first home. She was kind enough to let me know she was going to sell him and in every way honored the agreement we had to 're-career' him.
I think for someone with a dual WB/TB breed to race farm/operation this might be your stallion. He knows what his job is and he passes on that powerful, balanced physique and dark bay good looks with a finely made head and large lustrous eye. I think he would cross well with large framed, heavier set WB mares to produce a lighter in hand, more responsive and athletic WB-Cross without downsizing them and without simply putting a skinny neck and wellmade head on a body that doesn't fit with it. THis stallion has a very nice shoulder and depth of chest, is short from withers to croup while long underneath and has decent bone. He can make a good 3YO runner/winner at the regional level given a mare with a female family that bodes well for such production and might yet produce some BT winners given mares with more such production up close in their pedigree. In any event his offspring have always sold on well for the H/J and Eventing disciplines after they've raced or in lieu of racing. I think his pedigree might particularly like mares that bring him a double of Ribot, strains of Nasrullah. As he's already got three lines to Native Dancer, two via Raise A Native, I would avoid mares of such breeding with this stallion.
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Not to sound wrong, but please somebody buy him before he winds up in mexico. i saw Total Tom get sold for that after standing several seasons at a Louisiana university...
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I have my eye on the auction. I will step in if need be. The people at ULM are wonderful to deal with and really care about their horses. I bought two mares from their online auction and personally picked them up. They were so kind and wonderful to deal with.
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The current high bidder is someone who'll stand him as a racing stud, mostly for his own mares (I feel fairly certain). I'm "pretty sure" it will be a good home.
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