Anyone for a well-bred stallion prospect?

[Mac]

He is unraced, gorgeous, pictures coming soon. We might give him away to a good home although I need to confirm with minority partner. Sire Honour and Glory, dam Delicate Vine. His name is Honour De Vine and we had such high hopes for him He has 3 graded stks siblings, a gr 1 winning dam, and my Southern Cal trainer LOVED him before he hurt his tendon in a shedrow accident when another horse blew up in the shedrow and he spooked. She thought he had TONS of potential. We just tried to bring him back but the tendon isn't going to let him race. He physically looks a lot like his sire Honour and Glory. About 16-3 and he just turned four. As for the tendon, it isn't bowed and it just flared up about two days ago at the training facility in Texas. Other details...he vetted poorly at the September Yearling Sale in 08 which is how we stole him for $4500, but the knee chip never was a problem and we think he could have been a very fast racehorse had he not had the shedrow accident. My email is [email protected]. Let me know if any interest thanks!

[Sylvie Hebert]

For God sake please geld...The last thing the industry and the thoroughbreds need is another unraced,unsound stud....

[griff]

if a horse rears and brings his leg down on the door web does that mean his will throw foals that do the same?/

griff

[Toccet02]

No Griff, but maybe a horse with sounder healthier tendons wouldn't have had the injury.

[Sylvie Hebert]

So many studs around already.And some much better don't even get many mares anyway.

[griff]

my god, you contend that a sounder horse would not have injured his tendon even if he reared and slamed it down on the door web??

Have you ever seen this colt.. Do you know anything at all about him or how he was injured ??? Or is the fact that he injured his tendion in a freak accident enough, with absolutely no additional knowledge about the horse horse to demad he be gelded?/

Next what do propose we do with a gelding with a injured tendon??

griff

[Sylvie Hebert]

Treat the tendon and re-hab him?...

[Toccet02]

my god, you contend that a sounder horse would not have injured his tendon even if he reared and slamed it down on the door web??

Have you ever seen this colt.. Do you know anything at all about him or how he was injured ??? Or is the fact that he injured his tendion in a freak accident enough, with absolutely no additional knowledge about the horse horse to demad he be gelded?/

Next what do propose we do with a gelding with a injured tendon??

griff

I don't know--but isn't it a possibility? I have very dense bones . . . and never broken one save a toe. I've had plenty of falls. However I'm prone to tendon and ligament injuries. Others have brittle bones . . . is what I suggested so crazy?

[Sylvie Hebert]

I know of plently of horses that have a perfectly good life on a repaired tendon...
I love Honour and Glory and have a gelding by him in my barn.I just think there are enough stallions with more credentials...and too many unsuccessful horses and badly bred and or managed that we can't find a use for.

[griff]

you guys have far more experience than I but I don't think slaming his leg down on the door net had anything to do with lack of soundness..

I am one of those that think the dams are much more important than the sires in breeding stallions and this colts dam is Delcate Vine who has a 5/4/0/1 with $390k in winnings including a G-1; a G-2; a G-3 and a 3rd in anouther G-1.

Delecate vine has also produced 4 stake horses and two have placed in graded stakes races..

He is getting started late but I have a mare with a 3S x 4D to Mr P and he has no Mr. P.. I expect there are other mares around that might benefit by breeding to a Mr. P free stallion, but then again, maybe not..

Honour is a big good looking colt well mannered and very easy to handle..

Will look at what it will take to "fix" the tendon but I suspect that is a reach.. Anyway, he'll have at least one 2012 foal probably more.

And, forget it, I'm not going to geld him and i am going to breed him..

Can't understand why so many are so adament that this colt should be gelded when they have absolutely no knowledge of the colt or how he was injured, or what he looks like, or what his tempement is and it goes on and on.

. Besides I do not plan to go out and steal your mares and breed them to my colt..

If you decide you want a cover send me the pedigree of your mare and i'll let you know if she's good enough, and if she is we can discuss his fee.

griff

[Sysonby]

Sylvia aren't you a little over the top here? This is a buying and selling forum and the original poster was listing a stallion prospect for sale. He wasn't soliciting your opinion. He wasn't asking should I sell this horse or should this horse be a stallion prospect, He was posting about a horse he had for sale.

What next? Are you going after people selling broodmare prospects too? Will everyone who lists a breeding prospect for sale get one of your patented "Listen up people! Stop breeding!" responses?

[Toccet02]

I was not saying that injuring his leg on a stall door was BECAUSE of unsoundness.
I was suggesting that maybe a horse who comes out of that incident unscathed may have particularly SOUND genes that might be nice to pass on.

[Sylvie Hebert]

You might be right,i am prejudiced.I spend probably too many hours and too much money taking care of all those "unwanted" horses.
By the way,there are a lot of free in-foal mares or broodmares prospects all over america. Should it be a clue?...

[madelyn]

I understand Sylvie's point of view, however it is a bit like blaming all Germans for the existence of Hitler... I wonder if Sylvie is not pulling for the extinction of the Thoroughbred.

[dublino]

I understand Sylvie's point of view, however it is a bit like blaming all Germans for the existence of Hitler... I wonder if Sylvie is not pulling for the extinction of the Thoroughbred.

Why Germany, why not Americans and George W. Bush?