What's she worth?

[tmqh]

Tough question, I know, but I recently acquired a daughter of Runaway Groom
www.pedigreequery.com/dreams+fly

4 yrs old, has not raced only due to previous owner running out of funds. Was at a training track as a 2 yr old and was galloping in company with no issues. Was turned out her 3 yr old year. This is a tall,big bodied filly. My plans were to keep her and race her, but I have too many to try to get ready for the track. I have had her in the round pen for 30 days jogging to get her legged up and back in shape.

Any ideas? I don't want to give her away but also realize the state of current market.

[Hold Your Peace]

Tough question, I know, but I recently acquired a daughter of Runaway Groom
www.pedigreequery.com/dreams+fly

4 yrs old, has not raced only due to previous owner running out of funds. Was at a training track as a 2 yr old and was galloping in company with no issues. Was turned out her 3 yr old year. This is a tall,big bodied filly. My plans were to keep her and race her, but I have too many to try to get ready for the track. I have had her in the round pen for 30 days jogging to get her legged up and back in shape.

Any ideas? I don't want to give her away but also realize the state of current market.

Actually with this filly it's an easy question. Try to give her away.

(I'm speaking purely from a racing or race breeding perspective)

No one is likely to want to put money into getting an unraced 4yo filly to the races even if they have a promising pedigree.

In this filly's case, even though she's by Runaway Groom, her immediate siblings and immediate family are horrible.

Her immediate siblings:

(A SSI of 1.00 denotes an average horse)

'97 colt by Pistols And Roses - 12 starts - SSI of .18

'98 filly by Chief Honcho - 22 starts - SSI of .19

'99 filly by J.C.'s Challenge - unraced

'00 colt by Pistols And Roses - 9 starts - SSI of .02

'02 gelding by Slew O' Gold - 8 starts - SSI of .05

'04 gelding by Prized - 8 starts - SSI of .13

'05 filly by Fit To Fight - unraced

'06 filly by Private Terms - 7 starts - SSI of .01

So even if this filly was five times more talented than her best sibling, she still wouldn't even be average.

Her dam was an untalented mare (as were all of her siblings) and the second dam of this filly in question was untalented.

[tmqh]

Thanks so much for the candid reply. I know these are tough times for a lot of people. I suppose I should go pick up her half sibling at the track and save myself some money even though he's put in two pretty good works after being at the track 30 days. He put in a bullet work Monday with the closest horse being a full 2 seconds slower. Works are not races and we have a long way to go, but he's showing some talent and turning a few heads. Maybe I should get someone to jump on him now before he hits the skids like his horrible siblings and immediate family. I will need to check with the guy I got the Runaway Groom from, but I may have to give her away if I don't have time to race her

[Hold Your Peace]

Thanks so much for the candid reply. I know these are tough times for a lot of people. I suppose I should go pick up her half sibling at the track and save myself some money even though he's put in two pretty good works after being at the track 30 days. He put in a bullet work Monday with the closest horse being a full 2 seconds slower. Works are not races and we have a long way to go, but he's showing some talent and turning a few heads. Maybe I should get someone to jump on him now before he hits the skids like his horrible siblings and immediate family. I will need to check with the guy I got the Runaway Groom from, but I may have to give her away if I don't have time to race her

Good luck with the 3yo half-brother whose a lot closer to a start than his unraced 4yo half-sister.

If he's training well maybe he'll do good for you.

He doesn't know his pedigree so he's liable to outrun it.

[starlitlaughter]

I am no expert on value or potential from looking at a pedigree, but I do like this mare's pedigree from a sport horse perspective. If she is put together well, have you thought of maybe marketing her as a hunter/jumper?

[TrueColours]

If she is put together well, have you thought of maybe marketing her as a hunter/jumper?

The Sport Horse market isnt much healthier unfortunately

A lot of nice TB's being offered for free and not many / any takers for them ... [/quote]

[helen in FL]

Her pedigree would be something I would be interested in if her conformation matched. A very dear horse is by Runaway Groom and having owned a mare who went back to Key to the Kingdom, I have a soft spot there as well. I would have kept that mare if she was 16.2h and not 15.2h

[tmqh]

Here's a recently uploaded video of one her potentially horrible immediate siblings putting in his bullet work. I love his work ethic and stride. He's all business and we've yet to sit down and really ask a lot of him because he's only been at the track 30 days. Prefer to take it slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjSJly2IAN8

Just by watching the Runaway Groom filly go, I think she has the potential to be just as good as this guy. I may have to just find the time for her if all she will be is a give-away.

[LB]

It sounds as though she likely has more value to you than she would to someone else.

[Jessi P]

One man's trash is another man's treasure! I have taken and been successful with many "throwaways."

[karenkarenn]

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nation ... a-age.aspx


Hey you never know.
k

[Hold Your Peace]

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2011/02/09/charming-fella-age.aspx


Hey you never know.
k

Absolutely.

Victories in bottom level claimers in Arizona, with $6,000 purses, make it a brilliant idea to invest many tens of thousands of dollars into putting anything with a heartbeat into training.

[madelyn]

In my opniion, this filly has what I call an "unproven" value. If she is a fabulous physical specimen 16h or taller, goes low and slow under saddle, with a dead quiet temperament, can bend and change leads and lift her legs well over crossrails, she would have a value as a sporthorse prospect (somewhere between $5-10K in my market area) depending on her movement and just how fabulous physically.

She is unproven as a racehorse and has currently no value as a racehorse. She would need to get into training, have some really good works, etc., to build up any kind of value as a racehorse, which would be tempered by her age.

She lacks the strong female family that would give her any significant value as a broodmare prospect for racehorses. She would need a significant catalog page update, or to be bred and have her offspring win, to build up any kind of value as a broodmare.

[LB]

In my opniion, this filly has what I call an "unproven" value. If she is a fabulous physical specimen 16h or taller, goes low and slow under saddle, with a dead quiet temperament, can bend and change leads and lift her legs well over crossrails, she would have a value as a sporthorse prospect (somewhere between $5-10K in my market area) depending on her movement and just how fabulous physically.

Good looking TB sporthorse prospects with potential can be had for 1K or less where I am.

[madelyn]

Off-the-track, I agree with you, except around me those are closer to free than $1K. The value is built with reschooling; ie: going low and slow, lead changes, trotting poles, jumping, etc. I usually put at least six months into a horse before attempting to sell as a sporthorse prospect.