Pedigree Query

I finally got some new pictures done of Nightlight - Faux Finish's and Remember My Name's baby sister from 2008. As far as we know, she's the first smoky black & white sabino TB out there and as her winter coat is shedding out she is turning that beautiful melted golden chocolate colour once again

She is also flipping huge - far taller than both Faux Finish and Remember My Name at this age. Very leggy - her legs go on for miles so she should also hit that 16.3-17hh range at maturity. She is 9 1/2 months old in these pictures

I'd like to see another 75-100 lbs on her, especially before she starts showing in the Hunter Breeding classes this year, but lots of time to slowly put a few more lbs on her. I think as well she is growing so darned fast - everything is going UP rather than OUT ...

Here you go - I am SO in love with this filly!




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Oh - and BTW ... the Jockey Club has come back and called her a "dark bay/brown" so I have re-sent the DNA test back in to them and requested yet again that she is classified as a black. It is going to be interesting how they view this case, as from purely a visual viewpoint, she really does NOT look very black. Even to me ...

Good to browse these new photos and hoping for the best results.

I could see somebody very easily calling her "bay" or "wild bay" or even "brown". Seeing one this color, I think it's easy to see how dilutes existed in TBs without being noticed for so long, especially knowing that before DNA, when a palomino or light buckskin did show up, they were assumed to be the result of "fence jumping".

What a beauty, btw.

Linda - I agree 100%.

The dead giveaway for a smoky black (other than the fact that with her sire being cremello, she cannot BE anything other than a dilute! ) is the gold inside her ears. She was born with it and it will always be gold inside her ears but if you look at bays or browns, the inside of their ears always has dark hair ...

But ... if the sire was palomino and the dam was bay and she popped out, most people wouldnt clue in to the fact that they got a dilute - they would assume she was a bay or brown, register her that way and then I agree - at some point down the road when she was bred and out popped a buckskin or a palomino, everyone would be sitting there scratching their heads wondering how in heaven's name THAT happened!!!

GORGEOUS YOUNG LADY, BE PROUD!

OK, you got me drooling. She is GORGEOUS. Scrambling faster!

ughh Donna, I hate you LOL . That filly is STUNNING!!! Im drooling, right alongside DOS!

She is lovely
I know they like them fat for showing but she looks a perfect weight to me ..I hate fat youngsters just as much as I hate thin ones.
We've still got a bit of a problem over here with over fat youngsters in Hunter classes but the new Sporthorse classes have really made people aware that lean is healthier ...I think she is a perfect weight as she is

Considering how gorgeous all those siblings have been, I'm starting to suspect that a virgin or two gets tossed into a volcano sometime during breeding season.

She's beautiful, TC!

pfrsue wrote:Considering how gorgeous all those siblings have been, I'm starting to suspect that a virgin or two gets tossed into a volcano sometime during breeding season.

I just woke up a sleeping baby. She is not thrilled. Thanks!

Considering how gorgeous all those siblings have been, I'm starting to suspect that a virgin or two gets tossed into a volcano sometime during breeding season.

She's beautiful, TC!

Thanks and I agree - that is one of the damned funniest comments I have read in a long time!!!

I am so blessed with all of them and I am also amazed that every single one of them has had the same look, the same markings, the same build - literally they have been carbon copies of each other every single year. I dont know how genetics work exactly but I never would have thought with all of the millions or billions of possible combinations that every single foal would come out looking like the one before 5 times in a row!

Here is a picture of her full sister - Faux Finish born in 2004 - as a 2 year old:



and Chai Latte, born in 2005 as a yearling:



Stonewashed, born in 2006 at 4 months of age:



and of her full brother - Remember My Name born in 2007 - as a 2 year old:



This combination is truly magical in every possible way. I have no idea why it has worked so amazingly well 5 times in a row but I give thanks to the Genetic Gods every single time another gorgeous foal pops out and both Mom and baby do well

And this is probably my all time favorite picture of any of these siblings - this is Stonewashed taken at 5 days of age, looking like a plush stuffed toy. RIP "Rocky" - I adored you ...:

TrueColours wrote:She was born with it and it will always be gold inside her ears but if you look at bays or browns, the inside of their ears always has dark hair ...

Just wanted to point out that bays and blacks can all have tan ear hairs without having cream, and some cream horses can have normal colored ear hairs as well.

And while she may be confused with a normal bay or dark bay, its not very likely that she will be confused with a wildbay.

Wild bay tends to dilute a bays body even more, have very low points (normally not even about the ankles,) and also have guard hairs in their manes and tails.

For example this mare ZZ


She is a fairly normal color for wild bay (though she is dun as well.) She has the very low points, diluted body, and guard hairs in her mane and tail.

Here is another good example of a wild bay. Notice the very low points, and the diluted body, and the guard hairs in the mane and tail.

see RMT - you are MUCH better at this genetic stuff than I am! Especially when you start to deviate away from the base colours and into the more exotic stuff ...

One question - do wild bays always have the same height on their black points on all 4 legs? Do you know? Does the genetic "marker" for the black points just turn off at a certain point?

TrueColours wrote:see RMT - you are MUCH better at this genetic stuff than I am! Especially when you start to deviate away from the base colours and into the more exotic stuff ...

One question - do wild bays always have the same height on their black points on all 4 legs? Do you know? Does the genetic "marker" for the black points just turn off at a certain point?

THE ZZ MARE LOOKS LIKE A LINE BACK DUNN OR EVEN A CHAMPAGNE BUCKSKIN, OR DUNSKIN??

TrueColours wrote:One question - do wild bays always have the same height on their black points on all 4 legs? Do you know? Does the genetic "marker" for the black points just turn off at a certain point?

IMO it stops just after the ankles. However the exact genetic cause has not yet been found, so there is no 100% for sure answer yet.

The ZZ mare is a Wild Bay Dun (like I said.) No cream and DEFINITELY no champagne.