Issue of Gold for sale?

starlitlaughter · Postby **starlitlaughter** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:16 pm

I found this ad for Issue of Gold on EquineNow:

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-174408

I thought he was owned by Norsire in VA, at least that's the only farm website I can find advertising him.

Not that I'm looking to add another stallion to my herd, but what are some of your thoughts on him?

helen in FL · Postby **helen in FL** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:06 pm

Pass when I can breed to the better Canadian Kid.

color · Postby **color** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:47 pm

after all he seems to be advertised at his real height :lol:

Found these two ads for Norsire bred "to mature to 16.2 hh" horses:

http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sale/h ... .html?sr=1

http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sale/h ... .html?sr=1

together with Gold Tycoon this makes already 3 that are under 16 hh and this last filly has such a straight shoulder oh MY.....

TrueColours · Postby **TrueColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:06 am

Absolutely pass :roll:

unless you want to breed short horses that might inherit the dilute colouring 50% of the time and have that - basically - as the *ONLY* redeeming feature about them ...

springboro · Postby **springboro** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:28 am

color wrote:after all he seems to be advertised at his real height

Found these two ads for Norsire bred "to mature to 16.2 hh" horses:

http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sale/h ... .html?sr=1

http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sale/h ... .html?sr=1

together with Gold Tycoon this makes already 3 that are under 16 hh and this last filly has such a straight shoulder oh MY.....

Omg... the 2nd link goes to a very disappointed owner. Read that description! Truth in advertising!

Skipitgirl · Postby **Skipitgirl** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:21 am

And that dissapointed owner probably paid $10,000-$15,000 for that filly as a yearling. Id be disapointed to.

BlazingColours · Postby **BlazingColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:25 am

Oh that is sad. I hate seeing people sell off horses that have *made* their program. Good or bad programs... I still feel for the horses.

I always thought the jump photo of him was quite nice. Sure he is smaller but that should not discredit him as a sire. Breed him to taller mares and get the height from there. Just because he got *used* by someone the wrong way does not mean he would not be valuable in another breeding program. Or heck he would be quite a nice hunter pony sire if bred to small ponies. I always did like him, just not the way he was used. Then I have never met him in person.

Sato is a fabulous sire but breed him to a small mare (16h or less) and you may get a 15.2-16h horse. Sato needs to be bred to 16.1h+ mares for a good height or smaller mares who are *known* to produce height. Sato himself is just over 16h. I have two Sato sons (one is 16.1h at two and the other is 16.2h at four) I did breed Sato to one small mare the first year I had him and that filly at three is now 15.2h. Getting height is all about knowing what the stallion and mare produce.

So to the OP... Issue of Gold would be a nice stallion for someone's breeding program who used him properly and not bred him to his relatives or small cheap mares off the track.

Go take a look at him. See what his temperament it like. Good luck...

TrueColours · Postby **TrueColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:32 am

At least the new owners ARE being honest in their appraisals of the Norsire bred horses and here they also appear to be honest in stating their mature height as well

http://www.canyoncreekequine.com/id73.html

http://www.canyoncreekequine.com/id72.html

I truly dont understand why anyone gets into breeding if they are selling homebred 2 year olds for $1250.00 as well:

http://www.canyoncreekequine.com/id30.html

Call me crazy but if that is what their true market value is, I'd really rather not breed at all ...

BlazingColours · Postby **BlazingColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:52 am

Yeah selling horses for prices like that would put me out of business. I would never do it! But I do not know the circumstances why they are so low... Maybe they, as many others right now, in this economy *need* to sell.

Those horses TC are by Billionair not Issue of Gold. Issue of Gold, I thought was nice from all the photos I have seen.

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:54 am

I was recently contacted by Norsire via telephone. She asked if I would offer my palomino G.G. mare Blond Highlights who is in foal to Allamystique for 2010, to Glenhill in trade for the Annie's Gold Charm mare, so GHill would be happy. http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-167118 After she stated that Annie was a much prettier mare than mine, Highlights was coarse looking, and had a plain head, insulting her down to a nag..........and stating all the G.G. offspring have plain heads, I reminded her that our filly WAS beautiful had great bone and is $18,000 to a selected home, and our Ttwentyfour Kt Gold colt had a beautiful head as well. http://www.geocities.com/rhftn02/Shine.html After speaking with GHill and telling her I was sorry for her disappointment in Annie, I reminded her that RHF will have more spectacular dilutes in 2010 for sale, and that all color breeders do not have the same goals.

BlazingColours · Postby **BlazingColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:59 am

Sorry guys but could we try and keep this thread about the OP question. Issue of Gold. Not about the person who has owned him in the past and all her horses she has bred and sold. We all know very well about that program.

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:10 am

BlazingColours wrote:Sorry guys but could we try and keep this thread about the OP question. Issue of Gold. Not about the person who has owned him in the past and all her horses she has bred and sold. We all know very well about that program.

It is important to not only give an opinion wether to buy or not to buy an animal (heck no I would not buy him) but to give an unknowing buyer knowledge/history that many here have already been through regarding that horse and others that have been sold to people who are horribly disgusted with their purchase. It is all relative BC.

TrueColours · Postby **TrueColours** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:12 am

Yeah selling horses for prices like that would put me out of business. I would never do it! But I do not know the circumstances why they are so low... Maybe they, as many others right now, in this economy *need* to sell.

You and me both ...

Those horses TC are by Billionair not Issue of Gold. Issue of Gold, I thought was nice from all the photos I have seen.

Agreed. But the same breeding program and the same mature heights and the same looks to the horses. I know that Norsire didnt breed Issue of Gold, but he only had value (IMO) when there literally were no other single or double dilute TB's out there. It was him, or Gold Apollo or Milkie's Desire. And then Glitter Please came on the scene several years later. Gold Apollo and Milkie's Desire were not easy to breed to (owner related not horse related) so Issue of Gold was pretty well *it* if you wanted to try for a palomino TB.
IMO he was a horrible mover and an okay jumper. His shoulder is straight so he doesnt have that nice long reach in the trot and I guess for the same reason he cannot bring that forearm up correctly in the air over the jumps either

reedhill ... :shock:

... I dont know whether to laugh or cry ... :lol:

... but suffice to say that I will keep my comments on this particular subject to myself or stated in private :wink:

and not aired on this board. Oh my ... :lol:

Sorry guys but could we try and keep this thread about the OP question. Issue of Gold.

April - this IS very much about the original subject. Billionair, Zillionair, Trillionair (Snowy River) are all BY Issue of Gold

The apple hasnt fallen far from the tree with any of his offspring, IMO and THEIR offspring are "0" improvement over both sire and dam. Again - IMO only

The only reason Issue of Gold was kept intact was because of his "rare" colour and for no other legit reason. IMO ...

Desert Oasis Sporthorses · Postby **Desert Oasis Sporthorses** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:58 am

I normally stay out of this kind of stuff. But, I do have to make a comment. I bred my mare, Yesiwannawin, to Billionair. The product of that cross was an absolutely GORGEOUS and CORRECT palomino colt. Perfect temperment, easy to work with, the whole package. While I was not totally happy with Billionair, his temperment is outstanding. Fortunately for me, the result was my golden boy that I should never have sold. Red White N Gold now stands at Reed Hill Farm. Check him out. Not all of the get from the "Issue of Gold" line is "bad". It depends on whether you breed him to a strong mare or not. Unfortunately, there are very few "perfect" horses. We all try to breed to obtain perfection and are happy with excellence. Honestly looking at the conformation faults of both sire and dam can produce some outstanding foals, just my opinion. Issue of Gold may not be perfect, however, with the right mares you may just get your next champion.

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:27 am

Gee Kim, I hope we aren't that bad of a home! LOL :lol: