Pedigree Query

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to whether this little guy will turn gray or stay this deep red color? As you can see by looking at mom, he does have the gray potential...

I say GREY.....

I do see some sort of goggles around his eyes...and his muzzle is SUPER DARK....if it were light/pink he'd NOT grey..

I say, he's gonna be as pretty as his momma...

HH

In my view:
55% percent non gray
45% percent gray
Hope I am wrong.

That is most definitely gray. I'm 100% certain.

Grey...

Ditto ACC 100% certain he will gray.

Easy way to tell: when he was born was the skin around his eyes pink or dark? If it was pink, he will stay chestnut. If it was dark, he will turn grey.

Looks gray from here. I raised Appys, but I love grays.

Here's a picture that I took last weekend; he was 4 days old here. I went out to take pictures and he was fast asleep. I couldn't make myself wake him up but I did sneak this one before heading back to the house. Definitely dark around the eyes and muzzle. I guess I never thought about it that way, but now that you all have mentioned it, our chestnuts do usually look pretty light and "washed out" around the eyes when they're born. Is that a 100% definite indicator?

I've been told that the color of the pigment around the eyes is a definite indicator--but all my chestnuts stay chestnut (and are born with pink pigment) so I've never been able to see it in practice for myself.

LB wrote:I've been told that the color of the pigment around the eyes is a definite indicator--but all my chestnuts stay chestnut (and are born with pink pigment) so I've never been able to see it in practice for myself.

Yes, the foal eye colour/liner is a good indicator. An good example is a foal I had born this year who did look quite red when he was born BUT his eye liner was black. He has NO chance of going grey (sire/dam not grey) so I knew he was not a chestnut despite being redish in colour. I sent DNA away and he came back as a BAY and surprised many people.

I've found if their legs are dark they usually go grey. That's my experience with those born chesnut or bay or black.
Cute baby

Just out of curiosity is the sire chestnut, and how dark?

While I don't see the goggles, the very dark shade of the foal coat, makes me think he's going to turn gray. The action of the gray gene causes hyper pigmentation --it causes the pigment cell to produce lots of pigment and in essence burn out--producing hairs with no pigment.

Hence the old saying all gray are born black, and black born gray.

xfactor fan wrote:Just out of curiosity is the sire chestnut, and how dark?

No... the sire is Indy Mood, and he's bay.

Beautiful little guy. Who is the dam?