Saltamontes (black) running at Saratoga Wednesday

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:51 am

Saltamontes is entered on July 27, 2011 at SARATOGA.

Your comments for this horse were: blk fil Wheelaway x Just Gabi
Race: 10 - 6:04 PM
ALLOWANCE OPTIONAL CLAIMING $25,000

Just Gabi was also registered black.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:29 pm

SALTAMONTES (Spanish word for “Grasshopers”) is officially registered as a dark bay or brown filly, foaled in March 12 2008. Hope she is a wrongly labeled “black” Thoroughbred as her mom. Good luck!
http://www.pedigreequery.com/saltamontes4

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:15 pm

She's registered black by the JC. Don't know why someone here would change that.

MattieCat · Postby **MattieCat** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:57 pm

Hey, I wish her luck! I happen to be a great Better though, first race I ever bet in, the horse i bet on won!lol Good luck anyways :wink:

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 pm

Sunday Silence wrote:She's registered black by the JC.

I suggest we double check this case again for there seems to be
an official "dark bay or brown" label assigned to her; and I not referring to the Del Mar database. The fact that her dam is registered as "black"
is auspicious. Of course we all hope that at the end of the research Sunday Silence is correct.

accphotography · Postby **accphotography** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:31 pm

As Jorge said, she is registered dark bay or brown.

This photo shows a horse that most likely IS brown and not black:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyhorseracing/5121904210/

As a foal, no question brown and not black IMO:
http://editionfarm.com/2008_foals/pages ... abi_1.html

The only photo I can find of Just Gabi (bad head shot) does appear black, which makes sense given her sire. The brown may have come from Wheelaway.

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:23 am

Just Gabi was registered black in the race entries while she was running.

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:26 am

Well crap, now she is registered dark bay. Ugh.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:31 am

And look who the damsire is of Saltamontes: Devil His Due!!! UGH, why could I not get a black filly from him!!!! LOL

That close up photo of her head shows the lighter brown color on her nose, kind of like Ruffian had. I think the JC would use that against her in registering her black, but it does say black on pedinq. Strange...and then the ones that are true blacks they say they are dk b/b

Sunday Silence · Postby **Sunday Silence** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:36 am

Songster was registered black but he had some brownish tones to him. Straight Story is darker than Songster but registered dark bay.

Linda_d · Postby **Linda_d** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:47 am

Sunday Silence wrote:Songster was registered black but he had some brownish tones to him. Straight Story is darker than Songster but registered dark bay.

Don't the owners at time of registration indicate the horse's color? I think that many people simply put down dk bay/brown rather than black to avoid haggling with the JC over it.

accphotography · Postby **accphotography** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:54 am

Linda_d wrote:
Sunday Silence wrote:Songster was registered black but he had some brownish tones to him. Straight Story is darker than Songster but registered dark bay.

Don't the owners at time of registration indicate the horse's color? I think that many people simply put down dk bay/brown rather than black to avoid haggling with the JC over it.

This is absolutely, 100% true.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:05 am

Hi Sunday Silence, have you ever been able to find anything more about Mayakovsky since we talked about him awhile ago? I sure have not, and it is a shame he got sent to Chile (where they have 7 ft. of snow now) and nothing is listed about him. :?:

accphotography · Postby **accphotography** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:39 am

Was he something special color wise? I've got some old photos from when he was on the track somewhere.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:06 pm

He was IMO Black Beauty! Incredibly beautiful, ran some great races, and when retired was sent to New York, sadly, and I guess things are not going well in that state for racing(?) so his owners just up and sold him to somewhere in Chile. The farm owners in NY just loved him and told me they were quite sad to see him be sent over there with no paperwork to come home...

There are I believe a couple years of foals from him here, but I'm not sure where they all went.