Comply or Die

[Bill from WA]

Hello

Can anyone help me with information about the female line of the 2008 Grand National Steeplechase winner, Comply Or Die? The lineage stops here on Pedigree Online with Gallardo Mare (1927).
Any assistance anyone might offer would be appreciated.

Bill

[Lucy]

According to Weatherby's, the Gallardo Mare's parentage is 'unkown' - her pedigree is likely untracable, and may not even be purebred. It's not that uncommon with National Hunt pedigrees. Her daughter, Lady Madcap, is listed with Weatherby's but is noted as being "not GSB"- she probably was granted NH registration based on her foals' performance.

Of course, there's a chance her pedigree IS recorded, in some dusty old book somewhere. Try and track down someone with GSB's from the mid-40's, when Lady Madcap would have been in production. There may be more info on her parentage there.

Good luck.

[Bill from WA]

Thanks Lucy

I have several old GSB publications but not for the years that would apply to this subject (mostly from the 1800's). This is the only family that I haven't been able to trace from the winners of the last 60 Grand Nationals. Oh well, such is life.

Bill

[vineyridge]

Lucy, I know that both the French and the UK/Irish crowd allow racers who are not pure TB to run in all their races, but the mutts are much more common in steeplechasing. You suggest that Lady Madcap might have gotten NH registration thanks to the performance of her foals.

Is NH registration different from regular registration? How does it fit with the Non-Thoroughbred register that Weatherbys maintains? I know that racers have to be in one or the other of the Weatherbys books--or at least Hunt racers do. Can NH registration, if it is different from regular registration, ever convert to regular status in the GSB? If it does, is it under the post-Jersey act rules?

Sorry for all the questions, but I get really aggravated at our Jockey Club for not having a not pure blood register for chasers and performance horses. And for requiring chasers to be full TB, which ihas not always been the case. Any idea why we don't do as the British/Irish and French do?

[Lucy]

Is NH registration different from regular registration? How does it fit with the Non-Thoroughbred register that Weatherbys maintains? I know that racers have to be in one or the other of the Weatherbys books--or at least Hunt racers do. Can NH registration, if it is different from regular registration, ever convert to regular status in the GSB? If it does, is it under the post-Jersey act rules?

I'm afraid my knowledge of the ins-and-outs of UK registration is rather limited....you seem to know as much as I do! You'd probably be better off asking one of our posters from that side of the Atlantic. But to the best of my knowledge, NTR horses can be bred for NH horses, but not GSB-registered ones.

I get really aggravated at our Jockey Club for not having a not pure blood register for chasers and performance horses. And for requiring chasers to be full TB, which ihas not always been the case. Any idea why we don't do as the British/Irish and French do?

None at all. But the JC did take a crack at it...they established the Performance Horse Registry, which started out as a non-racing performance registry for TB's & TB crosses. However, it has since been opened to other breeds and turned over to the USEF.

[nferro9925]

Thoroughbred Heritage has a disclaimer for Comply or Die -

" ****This horse traces to the half-bred Lady Madcap Family, not noted in the Family Tables. The earliest traceable mare in this family is The Kitten of unknown parentage, dam of Little Agnes (ch. f. 1876) by Delight"

It looks like Lady Madcap is registered as a half-bred and should be in
the HB register somewhere.

I hope this helps a little.

[Bill from WA]

Thank you.

Bill