Cormorant

[madelyn]

It has been my experience that 90% of the foals I have bred got their temperaments from the sire. Also their heart.

[Fireslam]

I saw Ribot several times. When I saw him, he had a very quiet disposition. I was even able to pet him in his stall, with the groom in there, of course. I believe his name was Floyd. His paddock was solid fencing and high. He only went out an hour a day, and when he did, his groom went out and sat with him. Also, when he went out, they made sure there were no other horses within eyeshot of him.

No wonder he was nuts.

[KBEquine]

It seems to be a later maturing line which goes against what most breeders want nowadays. By looking at Cormorant who was more precocious then most in that line, I wonder if 4 x 4 would add more precocity then looking at a Pleasant Colony line mare to cross to him. I do suspect (although I have not seen enough horses to offer a definitive opinion) that they tend do be larger bodied, tall horses that take extra time to mature.

We are not in a rush to find a mare, but if the right one comes along now we would look to move accordingly.

Huacachina, our His Majesty-line mare would be 3 x 5 to His Majesty with Nobiz Like Shobiz, although she does not get to Ribot through Cormorant, but gets there once through Killarney Road, an otherwise little-known His Majesty son who happens to share a 2nd dam with Dynaformer, and again through Halo's half-brother, Maribeau.

She had her 1st start late in her 3 y.o. year, so follows the pattern of a late maturer, although she's not by any means a large body or a tall horse & is one of the smallest of my acquaintence from her family (so until reading this thread, I'd have thought Ribot passed a medium size).

[Strategic Maneuver]

It has been my experience that 90% of the foals I have bred got their temperaments from the sire. Also their heart.

Wow, that's completely different from mine.

[Roger]

Strategic, I was thinking of the Nasrullah X Princequillo cross. The hot blood of Nasrullah was calmed by the Princequillo influence. I feel that we maybe talking apples and oranges. Mean or spirited, sweet or compliant? Hormone related behavior or a genetic predisposion for that behavior. Is the behavior a herd instinct or learned behavior. I feel that half of a horses personality is genetic and half environmental in most cases. My theory on Ribot is: he was great and he knew it, he was sent over here understanding Italian and we had the nerve to use English around him so he rebelled.
My favorite story on mean horses is Foolish Pleasure. We saw him at Spendthrift and he stood in the back of his stall daring anyone to come in. It took two handlers to manage him. When he left and went to Montana or some place up there, he was turned out in a pasture and became a pet to ride for the owners grandkids. Sorry for stealing this thread, but this would be a good topic for a new thread.

[Tappiano]

Ribot has always been one of my heros, If I had had the means, I would have bred His Majesty mares to Graustark and Graustark mares to His Majesty. Temperment can be bred out or into a horse, but the question would be to me how would it effect the quality of the offspring. Breeding back to a 4X4 is breeding 4th cousins and does not have much chance of getting those characteristics you want unless those characteristics come down through or are present in the close-ups

I'm sure if you look through some of Darby Dan's own bloodstock through the years you would probably see they did try that.

They also discovered Ribot had a tumor in his brain and that might have accounted for his being "nuts"... although tumor or not there are plenty of studs that were and are crazy.

[hpkingjr]

G1Goldmine lists at least 9 graded (4 grade 1's) winners with both in the 5 cross pedigree. Kingmambo appears 3 or 4 times in this group. 5 of the 9 were down under. The cross had fair to poor graded success here in the US. Seems like when I checked this data base the stakes rate was 10 to 12%.

[Strategic Maneuver]

Strategic, I was thinking of the Nasrullah X Princequillo cross. The hot blood of Nasrullah was calmed by the Princequillo influence. I feel that we maybe talking apples and oranges. Mean or spirited, sweet or compliant? Hormone related behavior or a genetic predisposion for that behavior. Is the behavior a herd instinct or learned behavior. I feel that half of a horses personality is genetic and half environmental in most cases. My theory on Ribot is: he was great and he knew it, he was sent over here understanding Italian and we had the nerve to use English around him so he rebelled.
My favorite story on mean horses is What A Pleasure. We saw him at Spendthrift and he stood in the back of his stall daring anyone to come in. It took two handlers to manage him. When he left and went to Montana or some place up there, he was turned out in a pasture and became a pet to ride for the owners grandkids. Sorry for stealing this thread, but this would be a good topic for a new thread.

Sorry too for the hijack, but your theory on Ribot is good:) and it makes sense that a foal would reflect his dam's personality just from an environmental issue of the time spent together.

[Tappiano]

Ribot's a great subject, the mare that Martha has, Another G is 5 x 5 to him. Crossing her to Nobiz yields 4 x 4 to Cormorant hence the reason why I posed the question in the first place .

[Fireslam]

Strategic, I was thinking of the Nasrullah X Princequillo cross. The hot blood of Nasrullah was calmed by the Princequillo influence. I feel that we maybe talking apples and oranges. Mean or spirited, sweet or compliant? Hormone related behavior or a genetic predisposion for that behavior. Is the behavior a herd instinct or learned behavior. I feel that half of a horses personality is genetic and half environmental in most cases. My theory on Ribot is: he was great and he knew it, he was sent over here understanding Italian and we had the nerve to use English around him so he rebelled.
My favorite story on mean horses is What A Pleasure. We saw him at Spendthrift and he stood in the back of his stall daring anyone to come in. It took two handlers to manage him. When he left and went to Montana or some place up there, he was turned out in a pasture and became a pet to ride for the owners grandkids. Sorry for stealing this thread, but this would be a good topic for a new thread.

I think your story may need some tweaking. What a Pleasure stood in Florida, I believe for his entire stud career.

[Tappiano]

he's referring to Foolish Pleasure....

[Roger]

Yes it was Foolish Pleasure Old age is a female canine.

[Tappiano]

We're all set and very much looking forward to seeing what the next 18 months bring!