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Postby st. louis kid » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:11 am

In terms of who to breed her to, if breeding to sell in foal or sell her babies, send her to the most hyped first year sires you can get to in the 15,000 to 30,000 range. If breeding to keep the foal and race, send her only to proven sires that match up well pedigree wise and physically. Most buyers don't give a hoot about the pedigree issues you are discussing.
Montbrook is outstanding and a value at 10,000. Touch Gold has been a disaster and moves his mares way down. Mecke is a minor league sire to me.
Scat Daddy, Suave, Corinthian, Purge, Offlee Wild, Hard Spun are all unproven and crap shoots, plus you have missed the sizzle of being in the first crops if selling.
From your list all are solid except for the unproven and Aptitude and Kafwain which have been busts.
I think Pure Prize is an up and coming sire and still a value.

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Postby st. louis kid » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:18 am

On the subject of how pedigrees that are not popular and how it affects prices, I have been looking at the Nov. Keeneland sales and some different situations. Look at hip # 3783, great example. She is a Northern Jove mare, she could run made 99,000. Half sister to a horse that ran 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby. She produced a stakes winner in California, as well as several other winners. She is in foal to a 35,000 stud, Include. She RNA for 11,000. She is worth twice that just for the foal. Yet no fancy pedigree with horses that couldn't run a lick, so little market. These are the types to buy and race that give you some chance at a profit I believe. Anybody have some other examples, proven sires in foal or as sires of weanlings or yearlings only. Another point, Northern Jove is not a pedigree that is considered sexy in the market, but look at him, he has produced the dam of 64 stakes winners. To profit in todays racing world it seems to me you have to look for hidden value.

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Postby dray33 » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:01 pm

I guess she IS! WOO-HOO!

Fearless Leader romps in Monmouth Park feature
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OCEANPORT, N.J. (AP) -Fearless Leader drew off in the stretch to win the $70,000 Blue Sparkler Stakes at Monmouth Park on Sunday, beating D'Wild Ride by 2 1/4 lengths.

Trained by Michael Lerman and ridden by Daniel Centeno, the 5-year-old mare covered the six furlongs over a good main track in 1:09 and returned $34.40 and $10.40. With only five horses running, there was no show betting.

D'Wild Ride rallied in the final strides to edge All Giving by a nose, while Love for Not was a length back in fourth and the favored Access Fee was last.

It was the fifth career win for Fearless Leader, who boosted her earnings to $161,445.

:D

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Postby LB » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:15 pm

Congratulations dray! That was a great win. :)

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Postby Happy » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:30 pm

Congratulations Dray! :)

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Postby Joltman » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:02 am

Congrats Dray

Your options for a stallion might continue to improve as a SW mare...

Looking back several generations, you see Frilette by Man O'War. The ff was consistently bred to quality (Equipoise, Mahmoud, Gallant Romeo, etc.) While the last generation isn't stellar, their is obviously something still potent in the ff. I love Silver Buck/Buckpasser in the pedigree and you try to reinforce that - when her racing days are done.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:12 pm

I took a look a this filly's pedigree and what really struck me was the breeder. Farnsworth Farm has a stellar (somewhat regional) reputation in the industry. Some years ago, I purchased an older mare. Her pedigree seemed very lackluster but she was large, sound, successful, and the right price. We had trouble getting in foal, so we put her to the hunt field. Very nice mare that I hoped would settle and we try another breeding, but unfortunatey she had an allergic reaction to something and died. Since that purchase, I've always kept an eye out for mares bred by Farnsworth. I've seen other horses in sale catalogs bred by Farnsworth and they were very nice. My gut feeling is that they have a handle on their program.

I wish you great success with her.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:34 am

I had lost track of what was going on in FL. Apparently Farnsworth is out of business. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... operations

For anyone looking for an older broodmare, it might be worth with keeping the farm name in mind.