Here is my advice:Stop breeding!!!

[dublino]

Dublino sorry but you make me ill. Sure, lets use that animal up, make money on them, then lets use its carcass for a few hundred bucks more. Sicko.

Right, Dublino, carcass man?

Do you eat Chicken, Fish or Pork maybe?

How do you justify eating those magnicficent creatures?

Its all about perspective and opinions.
And you know what they say about opinions, right?

[erhrdt3]

My best friend bred two of our 13 horses. They have forever lives.

We know also will, and already HAVE, purchased wonderfully bred horses (carcasses in Dublino's mind), that are here on earth ALREADY at the Keeneland auction for less than the actual stallion fee for their sires. How can you beat that deal? You are giving an already here horse a forever home, a chance to be loved, have great training, and if for some reason they do not make it to the track, they are still not in danger.

I DID say, however, I would love to have Grasshopper's offspring. He is the only one I would go to but the distance has prevented that. Better yet, I could possibly get one of his that will already be born and give them a forever home as well. We have a beautiful farm in Lexington with plenty of space for more that needs loving owners.

For the sake of privacy, I will not re-print my email to my friend and horse(s) co-owner/trainer that states my severe feelings of the overbreeding situation and she has been in the business for a very long time. She also agreed with me, stating the same thing about the sales and also the breeding of probably con-competitive horses that fall through the cracks. These are living, breathing beings, that depend on humans' mercy.

Humans bring them into the world; they should be responsible for them for as long as that horse is in the world. The same goes for housepets also, IMO.

I know we have alot of dog and kitty lovers on the board and feel the same way.

Hope I explained this as best as I could. I just got majorly PO'D when I heard these innocent animals called carcasses that can get a last couple hundred dollars out of them before they are very inhumanely destroyed, no SLAUGHTERED!

Peace out...

[dublino]

So your answer to my questions where what?

[erhrdt3]

Sorry had Dr. appt. And I do like Irishmen, but not your attiitude about horses.

I eat more vegetables and fruits, cut out completely beef, pork, lamb, and fazing out chicken and fish, which is hard to do. I would NEVER eat my horse you fool.

You see, horses are not meant to be eaten. They are COMPANION ANIMALS! Before cars there were horses. America was built with the help of the gallant horse. Indians rode them, the calvary rode them, farmers had them for help, they deserve our utmost of respect. You do not ride pigs for leisure, well maybe you do, but the rest of us don't.

You DO NOT run the hell out of them, breed the hell out of them, and when they get too old, you turn whats left of the poor creature into nothing but a CARCASS and sell it for a couple hundred bucks! How the hell can you sleep at night?! And no, I am not a member of PETA I just love and respect our magnificent animals and believe they are here due to a human and are at human's mercy and should be treated accordingly.

And your comment about opinions and aholes? That's what you meant right, trying to call me that? You are the biggest one on here for saying that about horses, calling them just carcasses to get a couple hundred bucks for them. They deserve nothing but a humane end when the time comes, not to be strung up while still conscious, can you imagine how that must hurt with all their weight? Then get their necks slit open or stabbed to death? I spoke with someone at a rescue here in Chicagoland when I met her to give her my yearly donation. She said that most times in the killer pens the older horses will surround the younger ones trying to protect them from being killed, you know those carcasses that can't think or feel anything? The babies are scared and the older horses can tell that, and even though they, themselves are also scared, they try to console the youngsters.. but they are just carcasses doing that to line your slick pocket with a couple hundred dollars, Right?

I refuse to believe that you have so little of a heart. I AM going to change your mind if its the last thing I do!



If you have any horses I'd like to take them away from you.

[dublino]

I hope all is well, and that the Dr wasn't a psychiatrist.

Firstly I didn't state that horses should be strung up and have their throats slit.
I merely stated that maybe they should be viewed as livestock, which they are in fact.

Secondly, I am not a fool.
No need for petty name calling.

Now these Indians that rode them, the ones slaughtered by your US military and their land robbed from them, did they deserve better?

I think horses are the most majestic of creatures along with dolphins we have on this planet.

Some religions worship cows, they are sacred.
Some religions despite pigs as filthy and want nothing to do with them.
Me I love a pork sausage.

I have been to Thailand and seen people enjoy eating Scorpions, bugs, beatles etc.
Different cultures/peoples have different ideas of what animals they find acceptable to eat, some people eat snake or sheeps testicles, personally I hate fish and think anyone thats eat Sushi is derranged and should be locked up.

Some people like horse meat, who are we to argue?

How many pictures a year do you see of starved horses that could be humanely put down and their carcasses used?

I have never advocated slashing any horses throat while it was alive, I merely stated that in some case if the owner cannot pay for the upkeep of the horse or can't find someone to take care of it, would it not be in everyones best interest, horse and human to put it down humanely and use the carcass.

[erhrdt3]

Oh no need for a phsy. here, my carcass loving friend.

You stated that why not get a couple hundred bucks out of a horse for its carcass.

You need to realize that there are horse loving people on here, and your statement was found to be quite disgusting.

Humane euthanasia when a four legged friend is in dire straits, is sick with no way back is the right thing to do, but my God, you EAT them?!

What you seemingly do not realize is that in slaughterhouses they do not give the horse, not livestock in the means you put it, but someone's animal at some point, a humane euthanasia. If you are suggesting 'hey, why not get a couple hundred (slimy) dollars off the carcass'? then you indeed are advocating the very INHUMANE slaughter of the horse. Try reading up on what happens to them, might do you some good. If you call for selling carcasses, then THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM! Something tells me you already know this too well.

There is no way that history can be changed, sadly, however the plight of these gorgeous animals can be changed, and done now, to make that change. Equine eating carcass selling humans like you do them no favor at all.

I also love dolphins, and have given generously to their plight during the well known dolphin roundup that has been repeatedly attempted to stop to no avail in another country.

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what other religions do or worship regarding which animal they chose to worship or not eat. In MY country, we do not eat our horses.

How many horses do I see? Way too many because people are choosing to breed breed breed and they are breeding to anything and everything thus contributing to the problem we are speaking of. This is why I am completely behind higher fees to breed, register, race, sell, everything. And have those funds either discourage the backyard breeders or have the fees go to a fund for the retired horses, not line the JC's or stud farms pockets. Just go look at the thread that someone kindly posted about the young colt, I believe he was only 2(?) years old and already in horrible shape. The people that brought him into the world need to be severely punished. Thank God it appears that some non slaughter loving human saved him, but I'd bet if it were you, you would have turned that innocent 2 year old into a CARCASS.

But, hey, it's FUN to breed your animals even though we are not financially ready for it, right?

Let me repeat: If you advocate turning horses into carcasses, then you advocate the horrendous death they suffer, not a humane one, but a slow, painful one. That is the slaughterhouse way, despite their best approach at good P.R.

In this country, The USA, we do not eat our horses, I mean CARCASSES, right?

[dkras]

Dublin wrote:

"I have never advocated slashing any horses throat while it was alive, I merely stated that in some case if the owner cannot pay for the upkeep of the horse or can't find someone to take care of it, would it not be in everyones best interest, horse and human to put it down humanely and use the carcass."

That's the point. Nothing wrong with putting them down humanely. But that's not what happens @ slaughter, now is it? If there is a market for horsemeat, then horses cannot be put down humanely. Euthanasia is the only way I know to put a horse down humanely. Or one proper gunshot. Slaughter-stabbing/bashing live horses on the head repeatedly is not humane.[/i]

[springboro]

this is why i hate it when the whole topic of slaughter comes up. It makes people really passionate and they tend to say things a bit stronger than perhaps they mean.

And I'll defend Dublino - he has been very fair handed in his comments and I don't think it's fair to call him carcass man. (not a jab at Erhrdt3, who clearly feels strongly on this issue)

Let's all play nice and respect our opinions please!

[dkras]

I agree...and have written everything respectfully.

I do feel its an important issue for the industry to address, however, as obviously horses are still being shipped to slaughter which is not a humane ending to their dignified lives.

[dublino]

Humane euthanasia when a four legged friend is in dire straits, is sick with no way back is the right thing to do, but my God, you EAT them?! Sick, just sick.

I never said I eat them.

What you seemingly do not realize is that in slaughterhouses they do not give the horse, not livestock in the means you put it, but someone's animal at some point, a humane euthanasia.

I am not the law, I cannot regualte what goes on in the slaughterhouses.

There is no way that history can be changed, sadly, however the plight of these gorgeous animals can be changed, and done now, to make that change. Equine eating carcass selling humans like you do them no favor at all.

History, read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat
People have been eating horses for as long as there has been history recorded.

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what other religions do or worship regarding which animal they chose to worship or not eat. In MY country, we do not eat our horses. Don't choke on your pork sausage now!

Your country, you have a country now.
I think thats the egotistical, narcissist self entitlement nature of you coming out.

I think you are a wonderful candidate for eating the scorpions, bugs, beatles, snakes, and especially the sheep testicles! Yes, absolutely, and eat them while watching YOUR so called MAJESTIC horses being turned into carcasses. Sicko.

Just because you have an aversion to horse meat doesn't mean you get to tell the world what they can eat. You still haven't answered my question of what animals you like to eat? And what gives you the right to play God and use these animals for your consumption and survival?

Let me repeat: If you advocate turning horses into carcasses, then you advocate the horrendous death they suffer, not a humane one, but a slow, painful one. That is the slaughterhouse way, despite their best approach at good P.R.

Then go campaign against the slaughter of all animals and what about crops then?
Are vegtables and fruits raped and pillaged from their homes in the ground and trees?

People like you are the problem not me, you seem to have an idea of what everyone else should be doing/eating and how they should be living.

People like you should learn when to mind your own F*CKING business.

People like you should put the same ammount of energy they use crusading for others and other causes into their family and their own lives.

Whats wrong with you that you can't have an adult debate without your petty name calling?

If you truly cared about horses they would be your main concern not constantly spurting out names like child

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling

But this isn't about the horses is it, its about attention for you, the child and trying to demean others.

[dkras]

Springboro, it doesn't appear that this is going to be a respectful dialogue on either side. Sigh.....

[Diane]

Please people go and edit the few words or phrases that change your message into something that it's not. This is a serious topic and everyone's opinion is valued. If I delete a word here or there your message may not be clear.
Please consider that euthansia and slaughter may be handled differently in different regions. For example I live in southern california. Euthanasia by a vet may cost several hundred dollars. Slaughter may require a very long miserable trip into Mexico and standards of humane treatment are nil.
I don't really want to start a new topic and label it Slaughter vs Euthanasia so if anyone objects to continuing on this thread pm me.
Thank you

[erhrdt3]

Good golly gee whiz, I tried to be NICE to Dublino yesterday and even wished him a Happy St. Patty's Day and said I just got upset because of the way he states 'hey why not make a couple hundred bucks of their carcasses'

I left it at that, but apparently someone else must be feeling guilty about something? I don't know.

I do alot towards stopping the horse slaughter. I give my time, donate alot of money, and also consigned to have a special art piece done and printed, sold the prints and that money went into the organization that was responsible for closing down the slaughter plant in IL. We do not eat horses here in THIS country (guess we all have to watch what word we use with him)

Dublino, I attempted to be nice to you yesterday, you are wrong about your carcass attitude, there are alot of people on here that truly love and care for their horses and when the time comes for them to go to horsie Heaven, they would most likley prefer to humanely euthanize them and either give them a resting place or cremate their remains, as we did. To know that a beloved friend would get hacked up for a couple hundred measly dollars is disgusting.
YOU need to watch your words, my friend.

Did anyone read the article the BH has on there site reg. unwanted horses?
I will try to post the link in the next post, hope it works. Some of the pages are one after the other as they took it right from the magazine it looks like.

[erhrdt3]

First of all to our moderator, my apologies, however Mr. Dublino started the name calling which he does indeed call childish when I posted a regular opinion about this, and his statement was something to the fact of 'statements are like aholes, everyone has one.' So he drew first blood. He was uncalled for. I don't know, maybe he is a killer buyer and tries to make a living doing that, but when I go to meet my maker I want to know I'm going UP instead of DOWN. That's why he is so angry about any statements reg. this topic??? Anyway, my apologies to you, the moderator. Springboro, I still luv ya!

ANYway, here is the link I'm gonna try to post that is from the Blood Horse that they entitled Unwanted Horses. They obviously feel this is a big enough problem to put it in an industry magazine like this.

http://i.bloodhorse.com/downloads/speci ... 847980.pdf

If the link does not work, you may try to copy it and put in the browser. Apologies for this thing, I can't get it to post links for some reason. HELP! Anyone good with computers out there?!

[aurora]

Just think, if we had a slaughterhouse in nearly every state then the owners would take their unwanted horse to the local livestock venu, the horses wuold get a short trip to the slaughterhouse, wouldn't have to travel to Mex or Can. And it would be regulated.

I don't know about where you live but the common folk that have horses on Craigs list that are trying to get rid of them aren't going to pay hundreds of dollars to have the vet come out and euthanize them and then hire a backhoe...If they have acreage enough to bury it. They are selling them at the livestok sales where they are then TRUCKED out of the country. That's the reality.